People actually criticize Jones’ record and ignore Aspinall’s weak competition?

[Human Bass]

TS is playing retarded listing the who, but not the how. If Aspinall were getting close decisions against those it would be an ok criticism. But Aspinall destroyed them inside 1 round. While Jones got very close decisions against Reyes and Marreta. Boring performances against OSP and Smith. So be honest and dont ignore the how.

I find it insane that Aspinall fans keep pointing out that Jones got controversial decisions over Reyes and Santos. Maybe the decisions were suspect, but the fights were close and Jones basically ended both Reyes’ and Santos’ careers, as evidenced by their declines afterwards. Plus, beyond those two decisions, Jones has a strong record. Let’s compare to Aspinall’s record:

1. Blaydes 2 - This guy gets knocked out every time he gets a big fight. Tom is 1-1 with Blaydes.
2. Pavlovich - just got exposed and pieced up by Volkov.
3. Marcin Tybura - this guy just isn’t very good. Career journeyman.
4. Blaydes 1 - Leg kicked Tom for the win via knee injury
5. Volkov - probaby Tom’s best win. Volkov is consisting on the top 10, but doesn’t consistently perform.
6. Spivac - Like tubura, this guy isn’t great
7. Arlovski - don’t think this needs explanation
8. Alan Badout - who the fook is this guy?
9. Jake Collier - same as above
10+ all nobodies

And everyone is 100% sure he would destroy Jones. What am I missing?

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I never understood why the promotion isn't matching Gane with Aspinall. The promotion can't force Jones to fight Aspinall but they can pressure Gane to do it.

They've been trying for a while, Gane's just not been accepting it

 

[NoSmilez]

They've been trying for a while, Gane's just not been accepting it

Gane was doing movies. Gane didn't want to do for a non title fight. I think it's probably a financial decision as well. He also needed time to work on his wrestling. We are getting a scenario where the top 3 guys in the division aren't fighting each other.

Aspinall is now refusing to fight Gane for a title defense because Gane didn't want to fight him before. It is just a weird situation. The promotion can't really push Aspinall since he is their golden child who sells out arenas. TBF Gane can also sell arenas in his country so I am guessing the promotion isn't trying to be heavy handed with him.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Let’s compare to Aspinall’s record:

This^

I've been watching UFC since it started, & have seen sooo many hype trains come & go. To me, Tom's hype reeks of this, & needs to have a little more proof before we bet our life-savingz that he'z teh be all end all of HW glory. ATM, Tom's a huge hype train that has looked fantastic against high end "career gate keepers." Jones is the most decorated champion who cleared out teh division below... of 3 generations of top competition.

We all understand that this is a massive weight difference to HW, but that's really about KO power if you get down to it, since nobody's going to bully him on the ground. Say what you will about Stipe... he has legit HW KO power... KO power doesn't dwindle this early with age... (it's the last thing to go) & Jon ate several shots that could've KO'ed a lesser being.

So what we have with HW Jones... is a guy with astronomically diverse & fluid movement with an extremely high fight IQ in HW... who can eat big strikes.

 

[SuperAlly]

Not a good take my friend. Back in march 2023 he was the top of the crop

Back....

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Not a totally unfair point, but it is hardly Aspinall's fault that Heavyweight is basically trash at the moment, and has been for a while. It's a historically top-heavy division.

Exactly. Aspinall smoked pretty much everybody he fought and is still evolving.

Dude is 31 which is super young for HW.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Nobody is "criticizing his record".

 

[MMAJunkie]

People shouldnt criticize Jones' record.

And I say this as a Jones' hater

A cheater and piece of shit

but if you judging by his record only, even with the Reyes loss, there's really nothing to bitch about there.

Aspinall has only been around for a really short time but has basically already ran through everyone except Gane.

That's weird his record states Jon beat Reyes

 

[HHJ]

That's weird his record states Jon beat Reyes

I know it's stupid

 

[HHJ]

Nobody is "criticizing his record".

Some people do.

Hate on Jones all you want. Hope he slides under a bus and tastes his own blood and all that.

Nothing wrong with the record tho.

 

[El Fernas]

I find it insane that Aspinall fans keep pointing out that Jones got controversial decisions over Reyes and Santos. Maybe the decisions were suspect, but the fights were close and Jones basically ended both Reyes’ and Santos’ careers, as evidenced by their declines afterwards. Plus, beyond those two decisions, Jones has a strong record. Let’s compare to Aspinall’s record:

1. Blaydes 2 - This guy gets knocked out every time he gets a big fight. Tom is 1-1 with Blaydes.
2. Pavlovich - just got exposed and pieced up by Volkov.
3. Marcin Tybura - this guy just isn’t very good. Career journeyman.
4. Blaydes 1 - Leg kicked Tom for the win via knee injury
5. Volkov - probaby Tom’s best win. Volkov is consisting on the top 10, but doesn’t consistently perform.
6. Spivac - Like tubura, this guy isn’t great
7. Arlovski - don’t think this needs explanation
8. Alan Badout - who the fook is this guy?
9. Jake Collier - same as above
10+ all nobodies

And everyone is 100% sure he would destroy Jones. What am I missing?

Fair points, but he basically dispatched all of them inside the 1st round, this isnt hyping up a guy that barely wins every time, he goes through them, just happens that the division isnt all that impressive.

Either way, its the fight to make, he is the best of the HW's, is he not up to Jones level? Better, easy win for Jones, if THAT guy isnt a challenge for Jones no one is.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Compare Jon's competition before getting a title shot - Tom is way better

 

[Sms_productions713]

some names

Santos
Reyes
Smith
StPreux
Sonnen


don't act like Jones has an Hagler's resume... he fought a lot of shitty contenders for years.

Jones resume was already complete. Thoae names were just fillers for a number next to title defenses

 

[orca]

Not a totally unfair point, but it is hardly Aspinall's fault that Heavyweight is basically trash at the moment, and has been for a while. It's a historically top-heavy division.

so is its aspinals fault too that hes been beaten by weak competition aswell?

 

[orca]

Compare Jon's competition before getting a title shot - Tom is way better

jones became a champ at only 6 fights because hes so good
meanwhile tom ?

also jones rearanged
brandon vera alone who was once a number 1 HW contender
has great wrestling and striking

gane and tom are tied in wins tbh

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I dont think anyone would argue that Toms all time resume is anywhere near Jons, but the point is the vast majority of Jons resume is in a lower weight class and in the previous decade.

 

[Meathead Jock]

Jones clearly has the better resume, doesn't change the fact he is kind of old, coming off an injury, and not a true heavyweight.

Shogun had a better resume than Jones before they fought, doesn't mean Jones wasn't or shouldn't have rightfully been the favorite going into it.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

jones became a champ at only 6 fights because hes so good
meanwhile tom ?

also jones rearanged
brandon vera alone who was once a number 1 HW contender
has great wrestling and striking

gane and tom are tied in wins tbh

Tom is has better quality wins than Jones did before his title shot. Plus Tom has finished all his opponents, emphatically while Jon had to go to decision with the likes of Bonnar and Gusamo. Thankfully Shogun wasn't a coward and gave the number 1 contender a title fight

 

[AmonTobin]

If we look strictly at their HW fights record, we know that Tom was never interested in fighting a retired fighter and Gane had been ducking him. These are the only 2 HW fights that Jon has. Tom dispatched Pavlovich very quickly and this was the #1 contender that Jones was making excuses about before booking the Stipe fight.

 

[KungFuCow]

Tom has never been past the 8 minute mark in a fight. Absolute unknown and maybe a bad gas tank like most early round 1 finishers have. That's what makes Jon ducking him funnier. Tom is not this unbeatable behemoth but Jon is shit scared because he doesn't have the physical - athleticism, size, weight, reach, youth - advantages on his side for once in his career. But Jon is the one who went on a hit and run coke binge to duck Rumble. Asked to be cut from UFC after Francis KOd Stipe so him ducking Tom is par for the course.

GSP had only been out of the first round twice and had 1 decision before fighting Matt Hughes for the belt and he never had a problem managing his gas tank. Tom is a BJJ black belt, I dont think he's going to have a gas tank issue. He's used to extensive grappling sessions and Im sure he puts in the work to keep his cardio top tier. Granted we dont know until they fight but just because he hasnt been there doesnt mean he cant.