Penn State Fraternity Hazing Death

[TestosterOWN]

I don't get it so how many times did he fall down stairs? He fell once and they put him on the couch? Then he goes to the stairs and falls again?!

 

[Amerikuracana]

From Penn State to the State Penn.

Have to work "peen" in there somewhere.

 

[HereticBD]

This is a ridiculous statement. The incident was specific to a hazing game they do. They have to go through this to get into the frat. The alcohol is provided directly by the frat members. How is this not a frat issue?

You never played any stupid drinking games outside of a frat? Never got your hands on booze as a minor, outside of it being provided by frat members?

This particular issue is related to a frat, but let's not pretend that getting rid of frats is going to magically stop young people from being stupid with booze in college.

Of course there are going to be issues at any college campus with drinking and partying, but this is very specific and directly related to the problems with frat hazing. Furthermore, some members wanted to get helped and were basically bullied by older frat members into not doing shit.

I wasn't denying that this particular issue wasn't related to a frat. I was arguing the issue as a whole. The culture of getting fucked up every weekend at college and university is the bigger issue at hand, and it's not going to change by simply banning frats.

How do you ban frats anyways? All the schools could do is not officially endorse them. That's not going to stop anyone from starting up a special club independently, that has a lot of the same benefits. Frats going underground with even less responsibilities could lead to even more issues.

Keep the frats, just hold them to a higher standard of accountability. All they can do is try to change the culture. Banning them won't do a damn thing.

 

[guard_passer]

My brother's friend was the president of that fraternity's chapter. apparently, hes fucked

 

[FacePunch]

It'll be an interesting case.

What they're really fucked on, is providing alcohol to minors which played a big role in the death. That could ultimately be what hangs them. Now, if the kid was of age, I wonder where the responsibility would lye?

This isn't a frat issue though. With or without frats, you're still going to have a culture of heavy partying at colleges and universities. It's not like if you officially take away frats, that culture will magically change.

The parents will be able to sue the fraternity charter. That's the national organization. It will happen in this case, and this fraternity will lose their charter and this chapter will be shut down. Watch.

 

[HereticBD]

The parents will be able to sue the fraternity charter. That's the national organization. It will happen in this case, and this fraternity will lose their charter and this chapter will be shut down. Watch.

I wouldn't be against that. That's the kind of accountability they should be faced with.

 

[FacePunch]

My brother's friend was the president of that fraternity's chapter. apparently, hes fucked

Fucked worse than a Sandusky victim. He'll probably end up with a manslaughter charge at the very least, and he'll get convicted. Pepper your angus, bruh.

You'd have to be a fucking idiot to pay State for an education anyway.

 

[Oblivian]

I don't get it so how many times did he fall down stairs? He fell once and they put him on the couch? Then he goes to the stairs and falls again?!

Here's a timeline. http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/crime_courts/article_b0cd4594-31d3-11e7-ab7e-1f8d2b2a1f24.html

 

[Oblivian]

You never played any stupid drinking games outside of a frat? Never got your hands on booze as a minor, outside of it being provided by frat members?

This particular issue is related to a frat, but let's not pretend that getting rid of frats is going to magically stop young people from being stupid with booze in college.

I wasn't denying that this particular issue wasn't related to a frat. I was arguing the issue as a whole. The culture of getting fucked up every weekend at college and university is the bigger issue at hand, and it's not going to change by simply banning frats.

How do you ban frats anyways? All the schools could do is not officially endorse them. That's not going to stop anyone from starting up a special club independently, that has a lot of the same benefits. Frats going underground with even less responsibilities could lead to even more issues.

Keep the frats, just hold them to a higher standard of accountability. All they can do is try to change the culture. Banning them won't do a damn thing.

I'm not even saying get rid of frats, so I don't know why you keep bringing that up. There needs to be harsher penalties for frats and I think they need to hold the college accountable with the frats. I believe this will happen in this instance with the criminal charges and civil shitstorm that will follow.

And yes, we drank heavily and played drinking games. We didn't play a game like "the gauntlet" that sounds like a blast. It's specifically meant to not be fun. That's the point of hazing. The frat mentality here of not getting help was a big issue too.

 

[FacePunch]

These dudes should go to prison. The kid that died was 19. If that was my son I'd be out for blood.

The fraternity president, Brendan Young, was one of the eight charged with involuntary manslaughter. All 18 are charged with a range of counts including hazing, reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence, and alcohol-related offenses.
Young discussed what might happen in a GroupMe conversation with another frat member, the report said.
"They could get us for giving him alcohol that contributed to his death," he wrote. "Also the guys taking care of him didn't call an ambulance right away, so they could get in trouble for negligence. I just don't know what I'm liable for as president."
The fraternity organization was charged with involuntary manslaughter. Beta Theta Pi also was charged with 50 counts of hazing, 48 counts of providing alcohol to minor and 48 other alcohol-related counts.

$1,179 in liquor

Beta Theta Pi presented itself to the public as a "dry house," the university president noted.
The fraternity pledge manual said no alcohol could be consumed at the frat house, especially by pledges or minors, and that hazing was prohibited, according to the grand jury report. Drinking by pledges could result in expulsion from the frat, the pledge manual said.
But one frat member told the grand jury that a slush fund was created to purchase alcohol, with members kicking in $250 so they could drink alcohol at fraternity social events.
A police detective said he collected $1,179 in receipts for alcohol purchased by one frat brother in the eight days before the February 2 initiation. Included in the purchases were numerous cases of vodka and Natural Light beer, 15 cases of Four Loko malt liquor and multiple boxes of wine.
Other fraternity members said they never checked IDs to see if anybody drinking was underage.

 

[mushishi]

A lot of them are into stepping, which is infinitely less cool than breakdancing or hip hop dancing in general. It's like the black version of all male acapella groups.

That dude in the black shorts looks like he's struggling to clap under his legs. Lol

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

So Gayberry is full of low T cucks with inferiority complexes who are scared of fraternities. Imagine that lmfao

If you want to play stupid games and win stupid prizes, then by all means, do it.

Quite ironic that you say that because heavy drinking actually lowers your testosterone.

Stupid troll.

 

[SleepyBoy]

What kind of friends let their buddy die right in front of them? I bet they laughed at him for falling down the stairs.

I hope his friends get jail time.

This shit is unacceptable.

When I was in college a girl I knew died because her friends dropped her off in front of her house and she died of hypothermia. Her friends knew at the time she was black out drunk and didn't even watch her get inside the house in the middle of a snowy winter night.

 

[the ambush]

I never understood the concept of fraternities.

Why waste money buying friends to hang out and drink with, and at the same time let your GPA suffer due to the mindless shenanigans that these idiots get into all the time? That tribal mentality of "Oh, we're zeta omega whatever and we're better than the rest" is just ridiculous. They're all douches to me.

I'm glad I spent my time studying and hanging at the university BJJ club instead.

The popular thing is not always the right thing. It is a concept you can take with you the rest of your life. They chose to take the easy route and did what everyone else was doing at the time by joining a frat club.

Humans feel the need to belong. Social approval is one of the biological needs programmed into us.

I also think the program is broke and needs to be fixed. Such a program allows our young children to be manipulated and lied to with the 'every kid should go to college' bs. This is an indoctrination tool taught right out of the gates to high school freshmen.

 

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

The popular thing is not always the right thing. It is a concept you can take with you the rest of your life. They chose to take the easy route and did what everyone else was doing at the time by joining a frat club.



I also think the program is broke and needs to be fixed. Such a program allows our young children to be manipulated and lied to with the 'every kid should go to college' bs. This is an indoctrination tool taught right out of the gates to high school freshmen.

I take it you work at the local hardware store?

 

[00 Buck]

Pay to have those kinda friends?




Making friends in college was not hard at all even for a sheltered introvert like me, especially if you're into mma and weightlifting, etc...

 

[Te Huna Matata]

Penn State alum here. They were always in trouble. They were kicked off campus right around my junior or senior years but came back shortly thereafter. They were pretty notoriously affluent kids with extremely wealthy alums. They'll get in some shit but the punishment will be light due to good lawyers.

 

[Kowboy Karl]

Just ban fraternities already

Or just ask humans to behave

I'm surprised this happened given connected we all are with social media etc. they had cameras in the house for crying out loud.

How 15 + people were able to hold on to this awful situation for 12 hours before thinking it was serious.

I'm also surprised binge drinking is still a part of any initiation. Most chapters of any fraternities stopped doing that decades ago.

They should just close penn state already.

Nothing but trouble there

 

[justblaze717]

I'm having trouble understanding what this issue has to do with Sandusky molesting kids.

 

[Protectandserve]

Dude had a BAC of .4. Which is 5x the limit for DUI.

Our hardcore raging alcoholics rarely get a BAC that high. I've seen BAC's over that maybe 3 to 5 times in 8 years of policing.