Penn State Fraternity Hazing Death

[Terry Noonan]

Frat's are inherently stupid.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Depending on how bpowerful and influential this blue blood network is, the fact that you have to go through all that just to have that power and influence is already pretty bad.

It's their way of controlling who has power and influence. It's not like it's some grand conspiracy. But it's people just doing, en mass, what they think is in their own best interest or that of their friends', leading to a system in which only certain people are given those kinds of opportunities.

 

[ThulsaDooom]

I worked with a frat guy who was a couple years older than me when I was in university. He was cool as hell and we had a lot of fun working together. He invited me to a pledge party or something because he wanted me to join. I got my share of booze and told him "nah, I'm good." Fun party but the vibe among his "brothers" was creepy as hell.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

I fucking hate fraternities. I remember driving back to my dorm building and all the "pledges" stood in front of all the choice parking spots, saving them for other frat boys. I told one guy to move, we argued, his frat supervisor came to argue with me, and then I just said to hell with it and slow rolled into the spot. Needles to say they moved. The incredulous look on their face was just hilarious. These douchebags actually think they are special citizens.

My only mistake was not reporting their behavior. They bashed my license plate in a week later.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I fucking hate fraternities. I remember driving back to my dorm building and all the "pledges" stood in front of all the choice parking spots, saving them for other frat boys. I told one guy to move, we argued, his frat supervisor came to argue with me, and then I just said to hell with it and slow rolled into the spot. Needles to say they moved. The incredulous look on their face was just hilarious. These douchebags actually think they are special citizens.

My only mistake was not reporting their behavior. They bashed my license plate in a week later.

why are they at your dorm? Dont they have a house? Or was it one of those "independent" frats like just a bunch of kids forming a gang but not a part of that national frat registry or something. I had something like that on the floor of my dorm.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

why are they at your dorm? Dont they have a house? Or was it one of those "independent" frats like just a bunch of kids forming a gang but not a part of that national frat registry or something. I had something like that on the floor of my dorm.

There are separate 50 person dorm buildings. Some are for transfer students (mine) and others are straight up frat buildings. It wasn't a big social/party school, so I can't imagine how emboldened these fraternities would be at large schools.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

UMich or UVA could be considered a public ivy, Penn State not even close. Dont mean to offend anyone, but youre getting a mid tier education there at best.

This is your own personal opinion. The consensus opinion by experts is the opposite.

https://ink.niche.com/public-ivies-bigger-better/

By the way, I'm not offended, I'm just expressing an objective opinion.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Ivy or not, that is just a status symbol. I am sure it has to do with how much endowment they have and not quality of education.

Like those US News rankings, schools move up when they receive more money somehow. They dont move up because all their students discovered some ground breaking new information.

Why are you sure? Show me some evidence. That's not what I'm seeing here:

https://ink.niche.com/public-ivies-bigger-better/

It seems to be based on academics to me. Endowment isn't even mentioned.

 

[Kneepocalypse]

This is your own personal opinion. The consensus opinion by experts is the opposite.

https://ink.niche.com/public-ivies-bigger-better/

By the way, I'm not offended, I'm just expressing an objective opinion.

"Public Ivy" is literally a made up term, it is not objective in itself. My opinion is one shared by the vast majority of admissions people I have worked with for many years. Penn State is a school that provides a mediocre education by pretty much any metric. It looks like it has snuck in to a top 50 ranking, but everyone will forever consider PSU to be a definitive tier 2 school. To compare it in any regard to academic quality or excellence to the top tier schools, not even the ivies, is ludicrous.

 

[Doughbelly]

Ivy or not, that is just a status symbol. I am sure it has to do with how much endowment they have and not quality of education.

Like those US News rankings, schools move up when they receive more money somehow. They dont move up because all their students discovered some ground breaking new information.

It's not about the money. Well, sort of. The yearly US News rankings is the US News' best selling issue. They make money by selling copies, which they can't do if the rankings are the same each year. So every year, they fuck around with their methodology to produce slightly different results. The schools don't contribute money. They're all gaming last year's methodology to keep their rankings up.

The story goes that the first year they did this, they tried doing a method with some statistical validity but it kept coming out wrong because everyone knew that HYP (Harvard, Princeton, Yale) should have been 1-2-3. So they put a methodology together to rig the result such that those three ended up on top.

Then in 1999, under much criticism, they hired actual statisticians that produced a much more objective methodology and that was the year that things got flipped. HYP dropped a few spots, several of the other Ivies dropped precipitously with Caltech, MIT and Johns Hopkins leaping up to fill the gap that the falling Ivies did.

Next year, they rejiggered it to go back to the way it was the year prior because everyone knows that Harvard is #1. (Because it is.)

This is your own personal opinion. The consensus opinion by experts is the opposite.

https://ink.niche.com/public-ivies-bigger-better/

By the way, I'm not offended, I'm just expressing an objective opinion.

Yeah, but of those listed, only UC Berkeley is in the same class/league as the actual Ivies or Ivy level non-Ivies.

The top 15 this year are in order: (15, because Cornell, the lowest rank Ivy is 15)

1.) Princeton
2.) Harvard
3.) University of Chicago
4.) Yale
5.) Columbia
6.) Stanford
7.) MIT
8.) Duke
9.) U Penn
10.) Johns Hopkins
11.) Dartmouth
12.) Caltech
13.) Northwestern
14.) Brown
15.) Cornell

Go look at the admissions stats and come back and tell us that Penn State is anywhere comparable in admissions selectivity. They're not even close.

Nothing wrong with the strong state schools. You can get a great education at the top publics. Better, if you're willing to bust ass and squeeze your school for all it's worth. But that's shit that you have to work for that you'd have been pretty much served on a silver platter at the top privates just for getting in.