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[DeJulez]

Guys who see no need to block punches usually don't have long careers.

Angulo is a shot fighter who really was never that good to begin with.

He was decent tho. And he was exciting but you have to say that the man we saw fight Lara is not the guy we saw fight De La Rosa.

 

[Strange King]

George St. Pierre was the UFC's biggest star. That guy basically tackled, then laid on people for 5 rounds. Talk about coasting.

You said it. I used to be a huge gsp fan until i started to see what he does not to be stood up. against dan hardy he had that dude on his back the entire fight.

what gsp does is constantly move from side control lil punch here and there move to half gaurd, let the guy get full gaurd then move out.

 

[Strange King]

I did see him land a few solid right hands to counter the jab, but he never followed up with anything. He fights like a guy who has supreme confidence in his KO power, without actually having it. His volume seems to be getting less and less from previous earlier fights.

well honestly thats why floyd doesnt lose. He respects a guys power. maidana has alot of that and if floyd starts exchanging then he could get knocked out.

Theres no point in the risk. I know we want fire works but not every fighter is like that. floyd uses skill to beat guys. a combonation of power speed and technique

 

[nac386]

Setting aside his personal shit, his women beating, and racist comments I absolutely respect him as a fighter....he is one of the best I've ever seen...

I've only had one criticism of mayweather...I wish he fought more because we won't see talent like his in a while.

Everyone seems to feel the same way about Mayweather's talent, even Slim. I also think everyone wishes the top guys fought more often. Some people just have an easier time ignoring his personality and antics, or pass it off pretending it's a persona. Spoiler alert...Floyd IS his persona.

The three of you are some of the very few here who ever criticize Floyd at all. Which is probably why the MMA guy thinks 100% of this Forum loves Floyd. I was just pointing out there are a few people who do not have blinders on and criticize (not hate) Floyd when it's necessary.

 

[Gabe856]

Like I said to each their own, his fights are predicable and lack drama. They resemble sparring. He needs to stop this whole best ever thing, the best fight the best and destroy competition. Floyd does zero damage, but is one of the best defensively of all time.

Exactly, the reason why its laughable to me when people call him the greatest ever. He wins on points and rarely hurts his opponents

 

[nac386]

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/highest-earning-gates-comparison-2828989/

There you go Cheese.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/highest-earning-gates-comparison-2828989/

There you go Cheese.

wow great job 2 pages of logical answers and you getting trolled into a back and forth

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

You said it. I used to be a huge gsp fan until i started to see what he does not to be stood up. against dan hardy he had that dude on his back the entire fight.

what gsp does is constantly move from side control lil punch here and there move to half gaurd, let the guy get full gaurd then move out.

well honestly thats why floyd doesnt lose. He respects a guys power. maidana has alot of that and if floyd starts exchanging then he could get knocked out.

Theres no point in the risk. I know we want fire works but not every fighter is like that. floyd uses skill to beat guys. a combonation of power speed and technique

Despite it being valid criticisms of Mayweather and GSP, I completely understand why they fought in the manner they did...

you exploit your opponents weaknesses and neutralize their strengths.

The only way Thiago Alves was going to defeat GSP was via TKO/KO in the stand up. So what do you think GSP did? Take him down every chance he got.

Same with Mayweather...he's not doing going to "throw down" or "stand and bang" with vicious fighters like Maidana, Victor Ortiz ..

He's going to keep his distance, stick and move, get his timing down and pick his opponents apart.

Yeah, it sucked seeing Mayweather dance around in the 12th and pretty much run from his opponent ...but perfectly logical. Why take unnecessary risks?

 

[robjenkins2]

You said it. I used to be a huge gsp fan until i started to see what he does not to be stood up. against dan hardy he had that dude on his back the entire fight.

what gsp does is constantly move from side control lil punch here and there move to half gaurd, let the guy get full gaurd then move out.

He did that to my boy when they fought, it was frustrating to watch but I expected it coming in.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

He did that to my boy when they fought, it was frustrating to watch but I expected it coming in.

As did I..

The only way Dan Hardy was going to win was by landing a wild punch...

he sure as hell wasn't going to beat GSP on the ground...

and to GSP's credit he did try and finish the fight...

 

[nac386]

Despite it being valid criticisms of Mayweather and GSP, I completely understand why they fought in the manner they did...

I've never heard anyone say they don't understand why GSP or Mayweather fight the way they do. Some people just want more for their money.


One of the main reasons I've been a lifelong boxing fan is because of the amount of heart it takes to get through 12 rounds. There isn't another sport (in my mind) that is as grueling as boxing. These guys have to dig so deep within themselves to finish fights sometimes that it's truly inspiring.


That is why I am a huge Cotto fan, a huge Pacquiao fan, etc. They have amazing skills and technical ability, but they also possess something special that most people don't have. Something you're born with, not something you get from training.


Floyd has not had to show that, so I don't know if he has it. He's never been in a fight like Cotto vs Margarito/Pacquiao/Clottey. Or a Pacquiao vs Morales type fight. I know that people say, "Well he's just that good, he doesn't have to," but there are other ways to show it. For example, he could have put Canelo on the mat instead of coasting. He could have put Maidana and Guerrero down too. Or at LEAST he could have tried. It would have put him at a slightly higher risk, but it's something that all the greats did.


Say what you want about Sugar Ray Leonard, but the dude didn't coast very often. When he saw blood, he went for the kill. Most of the greats had that, and Floyd doesn't really have it. When we talk about him ranking with the greats I have trouble putting him with those guys because I have no idea what Floyd would even do if he had to really dig deep because he avoids that at all costs right now.


I've noticed some people on this forum seem to think knockouts are below them or something. I've seen people on here imply that hoping for action packed fights makes someone a less knowledgable boxing fan. That's absolutely ridiculous and can't believe you could say that with a straight face. This sport was BUILT on action. All the greatest fighters of all time were action fighters. If you watch boxing hoping for defensive wizardry and a low punch output then that is perfectly fine. But that does NOT make you a better fan or make you seem like you understand boxing more than anyone else.

 

[Cheese]

No but to say a fighter isn't great cause he doesn't get the KO makes you shit fan.

Chris John was one of the best in his time and couldn't KO anyone and that doesn't make him any less of a Great Fighter.


Wlad fights "Safe" and gets Lots of KOs but yet he still isn't good enough for the "Just Bleed" folks.

 

[nac386]

No but to say a fighter isn't great cause he doesn't get the KO makes you shit fan.

Chris John was one of the best in his time and couldn't KO anyone and that doesn't make him any less of a Great Fighter.


Wlad fights "Safe" and gets Lots of KOs but yet he still isn't good enough for the "Just Bleed" folks.

Name 1 sherdog boxing poster who said Floyd isn't great.

Also, you don't get to choose what a good fan is. Minimizing it to "just bleed" is exactly my point.

The other day this forum was drooling over SRR destroying guys who probably shouldn't even have been in the ring with him. Is that "just bleed"? Seano was cool with the salka fight, but loves mayweather. So, is he an anomaly? He's half just bleed and half true fan?

Give me a break.

 

[Cheese]

Name 1 sherdog boxing poster who said Floyd isn't great.

Check the page before this one. Gabe says its Laughable that people call him Great cause he wins on points and doesn't hurt anyone.

 

[Cheese]

Name 1 sherdog boxing poster who said Floyd isn't great.

Also, you don't get to choose what a good fan is. Minimizing it to "just bleed" is exactly my point.

The other day this forum was drooling over SRR destroying guys who probably shouldn't even have been in the ring with him. Is that "just bleed"? Seano was cool with the salka fight, but loves mayweather. So, is he an anomaly? He's half just bleed and half true fan?

Give me a break.

Not sure what thread your talking about? So can't speak on it.

No Seano is a "Just Bleed" fan that love boxing but even during the Floyd fight he wanted a Floyd to step it up and Go for the kill around the 7th rd, I disagreed and said no floyd is fighting a perfect fight and keep doing what he is doing.

 

[nac386]

Check the page before this one. Gabe says its Laughable that people call him Great cause he wins on points and doesn't hurt anyone.

Oh, the MMA guy? Lol I wasn't really counting those guys. I meant the boxing posters, that actually follow boxing.

 

[HHJ]

some people arent natural blood and guts warriors like cotto and pac...i actually find it quite interesting the motivations behind the guys who fight so technically and smooth,avoiding the rough stuff and still winning

 

[Seano]

I've never heard anyone say they don't understand why GSP or Mayweather fight the way they do. Some people just want more for their money.

Personally, I prefer technique over concussions. KOs are fun and all, but I'd prefer to watch a fighter with great boxing skills. Always have. I've never been a big fan of the Brandon Rios type of fighters.

One of the main reasons I've been a lifelong boxing fan is because of the amount of heart it takes to get through 12 rounds. There isn't another sport (in my mind) that is as grueling as boxing. These guys have to dig so deep within themselves to finish fights sometimes that it's truly inspiring.

Heart is great too, but I've always maintained that if a fighter has to show heart often, it means he's doing something wrong technically. While I'm glad we have fights like the Gatti/Ward series etc, I'm glad there are also technicians out there like Floyd and even Hopkins, as much as I dislike the guy overall.

That is why I am a huge Cotto fan, a huge Pacquiao fan, etc. They have amazing skills and technical ability, but they also possess something special that most people don't have. Something you're born with, not something you get from training.

Everyone likes Pac and Cotto. Every boxing fan likes watching them. But Cotto's heart hasn't always been enough to get him through has it? How did mediocre defense serve Pac against MArquez in their last fight?Greater technique beat an excellent version of Cotto when he fought Mayweather and I also thought that was a good fight.

Floyd has not had to show that, so I don't know if he has it. He's never been in a fight like Cotto vs Margarito/Pacquiao/Clottey. Or a Pacquiao vs Morales type fight. I know that people say, "Well he's just that good, he doesn't have to," but there are other ways to show it. For example, he could have put Canelo on the mat instead of coasting. He could have put Maidana and Guerrero down too. Or at LEAST he could have tried. It would have put him at a slightly higher risk, but it's something that all the greats did.

I disagree. Floyds been in the trenches with Castillo, showed survival instinct and the ability to come back and dominate after eating hard shots from Mosley and fought his ass off in the first Maidana fight, not to mentione tough scraps with Judah, Corley and Augustus. The fact that it doesn't happen in every fight just proves how much he is technically better than the other guys he fights.

Say what you want about Sugar Ray Leonard, but the dude didn't coast very often. When he saw blood, he went for the kill. Most of the greats had that, and Floyd doesn't really have it. When we talk about him ranking with the greats I have trouble putting him with those guys because I have no idea what Floyd would even do if he had to really dig deep because he avoids that at all costs right now.

That was just Leonards style. Something he was great at. But one of his toughest fights in his prime was against Wilfredo Benitez. A great, slippery technician. Also, fighting balls out lost him his fight with Duran. Clean boxing embarrassed Duran to the point of in-fight retirement from the sport.

I've noticed some people on this forum seem to think knockouts are below them or something. I've seen people on here imply that hoping for action packed fights makes someone a less knowledgable boxing fan. That's absolutely ridiculous and can't believe you could say that with a straight face. This sport was BUILT on action. All the greatest fighters of all time were action fighters. If you watch boxing hoping for defensive wizardry and a low punch output then that is perfectly fine. But that does NOT make you a better fan or make you seem like you understand boxing more than anyone else.

No one thinks that. I've never heard one poster here imply that they don't want to see KOs.

 

[JayElectra]

I've never heard anyone say they don't understand why GSP or Mayweather fight the way they do. Some people just want more for their money.


One of the main reasons I've been a lifelong boxing fan is because of the amount of heart it takes to get through 12 rounds. There isn't another sport (in my mind) that is as grueling as boxing. These guys have to dig so deep within themselves to finish fights sometimes that it's truly inspiring.


That is why I am a huge Cotto fan, a huge Pacquiao fan, etc. They have amazing skills and technical ability, but they also possess something special that most people don't have. Something you're born with, not something you get from training.


Floyd has not had to show that, so I don't know if he has it. He's never been in a fight like Cotto vs Margarito/Pacquiao/Clottey. Or a Pacquiao vs Morales type fight. I know that people say, "Well he's just that good, he doesn't have to," but there are other ways to show it. For example, he could have put Canelo on the mat instead of coasting. He could have put Maidana and Guerrero down too. Or at LEAST he could have tried. It would have put him at a slightly higher risk, but it's something that all the greats did.


Say what you want about Sugar Ray Leonard, but the dude didn't coast very often. When he saw blood, he went for the kill. Most of the greats had that, and Floyd doesn't really have it. When we talk about him ranking with the greats I have trouble putting him with those guys because I have no idea what Floyd would even do if he had to really dig deep because he avoids that at all costs right now.


I've noticed some people on this forum seem to think knockouts are below them or something. I've seen people on here imply that hoping for action packed fights makes someone a less knowledgable boxing fan. That's absolutely ridiculous and can't believe you could say that with a straight face. This sport was BUILT on action. All the greatest fighters of all time were action fighters. If you watch boxing hoping for defensive wizardry and a low punch output then that is perfectly fine. But that does NOT make you a better fan or make you seem like you understand boxing more than anyone else.

Many greats were greater punchers and finishers than Floyd, but then many greats were lesser punchers and finishers than Floyd, as well. Pep and Whitaker being two chief examples. I remember earlier in his career in the Corrales fight (I think), Lampley was talking about Floyd and said the most optimistic comparisons say he can be the next Ray Leonard, while the pessimists say he will be the next Pernell Whitaker. He is more Whitaker than Leonard as it comes to punching power and finishing ability at the higher weights (he was a well above average puncher and finisher at SFW, his best weight in my estimation), but then again, I don't think Leonard is appreciably greater than Pernell Whitaker. Winning convincingly against elite opposition is what makes fighters great, and Whitaker and Mayweather have both done that arguably as much as the superior punching Leonards and Hearns' of the world.

 

[Wanderlei4Life]

925k isn't right via Rafael

925k is what Showtime is saying the ceiling for buys will be.

Malcolm (Jamestown)


Since Showtime apparently no longer shares their Pay per view numbers. Does that mean they won't share their numbers if Mayweather gets 2 million plus buys for a fight again. Or is this just because they aren't getting the numbers they were expecting?


Dan Rafael, King Fight Freak
(12:43 PM)


They won't announce numbers, which means they wont announce numbers they are disappointed by. This was Floyd's 4th bout on his 6-fight deal. Only one has cracked a million buys, the Canelo record breaking fight they gleefully announced. But the others did poorly based on their own expectations. The Maidana rematch won't come close a million buys either. I saw some reports claiming 925k. I do not believe that at all. My sources, at least as of yesterday, were saying it might hit the high 800s, meaning a little better than the first fight. But it's still too early on a Thursday after the fight to truly know when they are missing MAJOR cable system numbers like Comcast.