Payton Talbott hype train derailed as fast as it started

Happy for Barcelos, dude was getting written off.
I was also expecting magic from Talbott but yeah, maybe some other time lol. Still young with lots of potential. Him and Eric Silva are one of the biggest young prospects right now.
 
Very reminiscent of the Shabazyan hype train. Guy showcases one aspect of his game, looks sharp in the process, then gets exposed for pretty much having only one trick up his sleeve. Talbott is still fun to watch, but that's gotta be a huge reality check for him and for the UFC on where he stands right now.

I assume that Barcelos is a guy that gets overlooked a lot, because I'm a huge fan of 135, and while that's a name that I recognized, I don't recall having seen many of his fights. He's a very capable grappler from what I've seen, so I'll be paying more attention now, although he seems to be at the final stretch of his career.
 
Siver! said:
Sean got waaay further than Payton. But his issues are kinda similar stylistically.
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In his fourth fight in the UFC Sean O'Malley fought the ghost of Eddie Wineland and then lost his next fight.

They have been pushing Talbott much harder than they pushed O'Malley.
 
volcom5 said:
Never got the hype from this fighter in the first place. Same with Benoit St Denis, suddenly there’s threads about these guys like they are future champs, when in reality we haven’t seen much of their skills yet.
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Finally someone brings this up!

St-Denis' fun to watch, and admittedly I was glad the UFC finally opened up their precious little cocoon that their LW top 5 has been for years to give some up-and-comer an opportunity to fight one their stars (when St-Denis fought Poirier). But that 5-fight win streak that St-Denis had managed to rack up prior to that fight wasn't exactly against top tier opponents, cardio-wise he had never been tested, and nothing in those wins indicated that St-Denis had a decent fight IQ.

I'm fine with guys being viewed as future champs and hyped up as such once they've fought some top-level competition, even if they lose but manage to look good. Or, I'll tend to get more easily hyped up about a guy that's fighting in a shallow division, like 205, for example, or HW.

But at 135 or 155? It's just a different ballgame altogether, and nobody can escape the necessity for well-roundedness in those divisions.
 
Ares Black said:
In his fourth fight in the UFC Sean O'Malley fought the ghost of Eddie Wineland and then lost his next fight.

They have been pushing Talbott much harder than they pushed O'Malley.
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Indeed.

What happens now determines if its actually a derailment or not. Does he rise up and become champion, even with a more manicured pathway, or does he become an Edmen and just fall apart?

I couldn't tell you, to be honest.
 
volcom5 said:
Never got the hype from this fighter in the first place. Same with Benoit St Denis, suddenly there’s threads about these guys like they are future champs, when in reality we haven’t seen much of their skills yet.
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Honestly...
Me neither...
Dude showed flaws on his wrestling game since his DWCS fight.
Last fight he was getting wrestlefucked but managed to find the KO.
For some reason, people took Barcelos as a done fighter... Probably because of his age or past results.
Anyway, i should have bet at least something at Barcelos... I even read his wikipedia page in the week of the fight only to discover he had some wrestling pedigree (his father was a freestyle wrestler that competed for the national brazilian team while Barcelos is a five time national wrestling champion).

About Benoit... Well... Dude took a career altering beating on his short notice debut against Elizeu Zaleski. After that he managed not only to win his next five, but also won those convincingly (Dude broke one of the Bonfim's brothers hype while also derailing Frevola's hype who was coming from 3 finishes in a row).
All in all, Benoit's hype was justified by his results. Match that with the fact that UFC wants to do more European events and there's pleny of reason for his hype.
 
Its the only fight I missed on the card

I was thinking heading into the match that although Raoni is older, he is a fucking beast and tough match for any dude

Glad to see an old vet sit a young streaking prospect down every once and a while
 
It seems like you were rooting for talbott to lose. Why? He has ko power and a cool style, it's pretty annoying to see some old guy who is about to retire soon just wrestlefuck him and ruin the hype. This is like if Jingliang knocked out khamzat back in october lol
 
This shows you the issue of UFC fans and a lot of Sherdoggers. Any fucking prospect shown to them and pushed as huge potential they latch onto. Half this forum was certain Talbott would become a world champ one day lmao. Yet they have no interest in prospects younger and better than him not in the UFC, we sell storylines to idiots mostly, the sport itself people aren't much a fan of unfortunately. Even in the UFC guys like Jean Matsumoto get no attention in the same division despite likely being the much better talent...this is the guy the UFC pushed.
 
I think I actually have to give the UFC credit for their matchmaking here -- they gave a hot commodity striker someone that can wrestle but isn't a world beater to see if he could pass the test and he got fraud checked; that's what guys like Barcelos should be for imo
 
usernamee said:
He might be older now but that guy has always been very elite. He's definitely not someone I'd pick thinking he'll go down easy vs som prospect.
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As good as Barcelos is/was, he's 37, absorbed like 300 punches from Victor Henry and got knocked dead by Umar right after. There's a reason Payton was supposed to win.
 

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