Payton Talbott hype train derailed as fast as it started

[Lee Danger]

"Tolbert"

 

[Meathead Jock]

It seems like you were rooting for talbott to lose. Why? He has ko power and a cool style, it's pretty annoying to see some old guy who is about to retire soon just wrestlefuck him and ruin the hype. This is like if Jingliang knocked out khamzat back in october lol

Because the hype wasn't earned. I'm beating a dead horse with my 4th post on it. But Talbott was a average high school wrestler. That'd be fine if he picked up the sport his junior or senior year and was just late to the game. But he did it a long time and never reached a very high level.

"But GSP and Aldo never wrestled and..."
Nope but if they had wrestled for 10+ years I guarantee they would be placing at state in a relative weak state for wrestling. The fact is he put in time in a combat sport and showed to be nothing special against amateurs, but has some good natural striking. He goes against a better wrestler gate keeper and gets wrecked. He has natural striking ability but he isn't some chosen prodigy that they can rush up the ladder.

*I'm done kicking a fighter while he is down, last post on Talbott for me. Not trying to be rude.

 

[kingmob6]

Some mofos were arguing with me when I said Talbot is going to get exposed, as much as I love him, his striking defense is pretty awful, he goes all matador in and gets hit a lot, and then his grappling which is newb level got exposed as well. He has a long way to go to be relevant right now.

 

[TITS]

Tolbert is a can.

 

[Slapjit]

He was battle with honor, but experience it sometimes was catching by surprise. Still opportunity for become yyds as he was possess still his youth

 

[HeffDoesWant]

+750 translates to an 88% chance that the favourite wins.


Do you think you beat Robert Whittaker 12% of the time?

I'm being sarcastic, of course I don't.

My point is simply that +750 fights should be so bad they shouldn't get sanctioned.

Lucky punches, fluke cuts, injuries etc mean all sorts of random unexpected things can happen. It would be foolish to think the best fighter always wins.

 

[DiazSlap]

He was battle with honor, but experience it sometimes was catching by surprise. Still opportunity for become yyds as he was possess still his youth

WTF?

 

[Unheralded Truth]

It surprised me that Payden Tolbert didn't try more to break the pattern. I assumed he was of that age where you just know that something needs to change.

I heard him asking his corner men though, so I'm not gonna shit on his fight IQ more than necessary here. Still strange how they ended up not going for it.

 

[Ares Black]

I'm being sarcastic, of course I don't.

My point is simply that +750 fights should be so bad they shouldn't get sanctioned.

Lucky punches, fluke cuts, injuries etc mean all sorts of random unexpected things can happen. It would be foolish to think the best fighter always wins.

I.dunno, +750 fights(or a lot worse) happen all the time at every level of MMA.

7/1 or 8/1 underdogs should be pretty rare at the UFC level, but they are a natural part of the reality of fighting.


Yes, flukes happen, but most of the time the best fighter wins.

 

[Slapjit]

TMD?

I was agree, forcefulness and resilience not only was the path to victory, but wisdom of battle as well. However, I believe in the young man his potential yyds maybe decade following

 

[fortheo]

This shows you the issue of UFC fans and a lot of Sherdoggers. Any fucking prospect shown to them and pushed as huge potential they latch onto. Half this forum was certain Talbott would become a world champ one day lmao. Yet they have no interest in prospects younger and better than him not in the UFC, we sell storylines to idiots mostly, the sport itself people aren't much a fan of unfortunately. Even in the UFC guys like Jean Matsumoto get no attention in the same division despite likely being the much better talent...this is the guy the UFC pushed.

Definitely, although, I think the UFC either over estimated Talbott, or just didn't want to push him as much as we thought. This kid was getting taken down by bums just a fight or two ago and showing bad grappling. I don't know what they expected when matching him up against a decorated wrestler with high level bjj. Maybe they just thought raoni was so washed that he forgot a lifetime of grappling.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

It seems like you were rooting for talbott to lose. Why? He has ko power and a cool style, it's pretty annoying to see some old guy who is about to retire soon just wrestlefuck him and ruin the hype. This is like if Jingliang knocked out khamzat back in october lol

It's not "annoying" to see an old guy/vet dominate. It's actually nice to see a guy you've been rooting for a long time dominate and derail a hypetrain. The onus is on the up-and-comer to put on a show/clinic. He he can't (which Talbot clearly couldn't) then. . . . they clearly deserve to lose and the vet to win. Lol it happens the other way around so much, that I'm fine when it happens!

 

[DrRodentia]

Always find it weird how much some people love to celebrate when young prospects lose. Then complain about there not being any promising upcoming stars.

 

[zakk]

Payton told me not to blink. Some one should have told him not to stink.

Payless Talkalot should be his new name

 

[Bork Neslar]

You turds are so full of hatred and negativity.

 

[Portland8242]

Will there ever come a day when fighters knocking out random unranked guys on the prelims aren't hailed as future invincible champions?

I swear to god half of his hype came from the fact that he's a similar gen Z fruitcake cut from the same cloth as O'Malley, so he must be on the precise same path as O'Malley because he too has some flashy striking.

 

[Tapatio]

he did, didn't he? That zesty Gen Zer was supposed to have his coming out party, but ended up being an assault victim by a journeyman on the wrong side of 30. Not to worry though. There's enough tomato cans in the UFC for him to make his way into the spotlight again.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He might be older now but that guy has always been very elite. He's definitely not someone I'd pick thinking he'll go down easy vs som prospect.

I couldn't believe he was a +675 underdog. Yeah he's old and been KOed but Raoni at anything more than +300 against an unranked up and comer is a steal of a bet.

It surprised me that Payden Tolbert didn't try more to break the pattern. I assumed he was of that age where you just know that something needs to change.

I heard him asking his corner men though, so I'm not gonna shit on his fight IQ more than necessary here. Still strange how they ended up not going for it.

Some mofos were arguing with me when I said Talbot is going to get exposed, as much as I love him, his striking defense is pretty awful, he goes all matador in and gets hit a lot, and then his grappling which is newb level got exposed as well. He has a long way to go to be relevant right now.

Honestly he didn't look that bad in trying to defend the grappling, Raoni had to pull out some slick finishes to get him to the mat. Your average BJJ guy who only kind of knows wrestling would've got sparked but Raoni was a national level competitor in wrestling in Brazil which might not have the best reputation in that sport but indicates that Raoni has much more mat time and experience in wrestling than your average BR fighter.

 

[prime_lobov]

They should put him up against Erick Silva next to see which prospect gets to continue being hyped.

 

[Superzorro]

I swear to god half of his hype came from the fact that he's a similar gen Z fruitcake cut from the same cloth as O'Malley, so he must be on the precise same path as O'Malley because he too has some flashy striking.

This right here. The moment he started to think we wanted to hear about his life and what he thinks masculinity should be, I started to write him off in my head. As for the fight itself, I heard someone else say this and I kind of agree; Talbot was more worried about looking nonchalant and cool in losing than he did actually winning, even if it meant making things a little ugly in the process. I can see him coming back from this and being like a middling fighter. Maybe above average. But I don't see him ever becoming elite. It's hard to come back from a loss like this as a prospect where you were completely helpless, especially when you rely on fighting in an unconventional way. His coaches are probably going to try to get him to work on his fundamentals, and he will be more hesitant to let his hands go.