Well I get that you’re not the brightest so that probably does make sense in your head.
Then don't.
But I like him as a person and there is substance to what he is saying. I just don’t approve of his doomerism approach and antagonism of other people ITT.
I think the issue is that it's a genuinely difficult problem, and that voters have those views. People get the idea that problems are really easy to solve but politicians are too corrupt to do the obvious right thing. But the harder thing is usually knowing what the right thing is. Even knowing that Netanyahu is a dick, Israel is an important ally that was brutally attacked, and a lot of Americans feel a strong connection to the country. Also, we have more influence over their conduct of the war if we continue providing aid. Washing our hands of everything might feel better, but it's not clear whether the effects would be good or bad.
It is a difficult problem. That’s not what I’m saying…We are literally breaking our own laws to back Netanyahu. When we don’t even respect our own laws as a country, what does it say about us?
Moreover, Netanyahu has an international arrest warrant on his head…The ICC declared Israel guilty of violating International Law for their illegal occupation on the West Bank and mistreatment of Palestinians there. Multiple generation Palestinians that have lived on the WB for ages are treated like second class citizens+ given less rights than random settlers that moved in within weeks on the West Bank. Shit like that isn’t complicated…
This is a massive understatement. He enabled Hamas for years and sabotaged secular movements to stonewall Palestinian Sovereignty for ages. He has blood on his hand for October 7th too for not taking proper security measures as well. Even most Israelis loathe him for it. Keep in mind, his political career is on life support and relies on this war prolonging. He has corruption trials that are postponed in Israel too.
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Supplying them aid that they don’t do the due diligence to make sure that it crosses over seems pretty pointless. Israel started a proxy war with Iran and then spit in Biden’s face when he drew a red line at Rafah…That arguement used to hold water for me too but lately, I’ve been growing more cynical.
I have 12,000 notifications with liberals disagreeing with me that things haven't gotten more expensive (from the little skimming I did, I just started skipping past them the way I do with silly Republicans) for the average person and that money totes isn't a thing in politics, with, at a glance, several arguments that are the same talking points I've seen on here from conservatives. I'm going to entertain this fantasy about as much as I would someone telling my climate change is fake or that the world is flat. I said what I said and I stand by it. The only ones agreeing with you are two people who say things are fine and that billionaires aren't a problem actually, we should be nice to them. I understand your points with MLK and Malcom but I don't care if MLK was Pro-Israel, my quoting of them was on a singular subject and I know that Malcom's views changed about certain things. My point stands.
He did say that Elon practically purchased the GOP…So I don’t think y’all disagree on that.
Well, I understand the sentiment in some areas but you are being hyperbolic and you know it. What did MAGA accomplish in those 4 yrs? They did the tax cuts, leeched off Obama’s economy and cruised us into historic debt and a recession, MAGA didn’t deliver on “draining the swamp”, withdrawing from Afghanistan and building that sacred wall. I don’t even think that Muslim immigration ban went through in all totality. So what exactly are you talking about? With all the new SCOTUS rulings and Trump appointing all these kooky loyalists, Fucking Mitch McConnell is turning out to be the voice of reason on the GOP…So we’re cooked this time since the guard rails are completely ripped off.
This sounds pretty sadistic and something that an accelerationist would say when they skip out on elections because of purity politics. People’s lives are on the line with Trump wiping out ACA which is expiring….I don’t want to play “ID politics” but also healthcare for LGBTQ+ folks is on the line too so that kinda rhetoric always disgusts me. Especially when people exclaim that they want society to suffer so much to the point that politicians can carve out an agenda to tailor their specific interests and that alone.
The rest of this is just really reactive. I definitely think that there needs to be some serious amelioration within the democratic coalition. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that anymore. Trump’s victory is multifaceted. You can ascribe it to “wokeness”, inflation, purity politics, Gaza, right wing media being endemic, etc.
I didn't compare it to Russia but yes we are an oligarchy. As far as the past few pages I just said the price of a lotta stuff went up and Jack said I was wrong about everything, that's kind of an enormous detail everyone keeps sidestepping. I also don't care what they think of my assessment, I've no reason to be optimistic about the direction this country is headed. This didn't start with Trump. It's been decades in the making.
I don't think sanctions against Israel would do anything good, and they would be extremely unpopular.
But policy has been shifting left for 30 years now. I'd think that that would at least cause you to, like, look into whether your model is actually right instead of just accusing people of dishonesty for not agreeing with it.
Untrue.
Biden didn't say he'd shoot down M4A. And he did a lot on healthcare. Reduced costs for people on exchanges (now capped at 8.5% of income and no premiums for people making 150% of the federal poverty level--80% of enrollees now can find plans on the marketplaces for under $10 a month), gave states more incentives to expand Medicaid, gave Medicare the power to negotiate lower drug prices, lowered insulin costs, capped out-of-pocket drug costs, provided free vaccinations for seniors, etc. If you're not following policy, that's fine, but you should make some effort to avoid saying things that are not true.
What makes you say it wouldn't do anything good? Biden is trying to pass sanctions on settlers, do you disagree with that?
It just doesn't strike me as plausible that any realistic sanctions are going to affect their conduct of a war for their existence.
We don't have leverage on Russia either and yet we sanctioned them. Sanctions aren't just a polite suggestion to do the right thing, they're economic pain that reorients the political incentives in the country. If sanctioned the occupation would have an economic cost and Israel's leaders will have to justify that cost to their people. They might be able to in the short term but any government that governs under sanctions is vulnerable to other crises unseating them.
India is already the middle man when it comes to supplying us with Russian oil. It’s comical that Israel has avoided sanctioning Russia and aiding Ukraine. It partly explains why Macron and Starmer have been more hesitant with supplying Israel than Biden.
does the money do more good for society being “grown” by a billionaire or spent by someone in the working class?
