Opinion Ocasio-Cortez annihilates Trump about wall

Cuauhtemoc said:
Latina woman supports the right of latinos to migrate to the US. In other news, the Japanese think hunting whales is a human right.
However I still support Cortez as she wants to save the environment through the green new deal.
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Nobody is against legal migration. She is in favor of ILLEGAL immigration. She is therefore a fucking traitor and anti American.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
I guess my issue is what is the role of government? The root of liberalism is liberty. I don't know if the government providing all of these services is a good thing. It gives them too much power and it becomes a nanny/welfare state where you turn to your government for all of the answers. It's just a little too Big Brother for me.

Kennedy famously spoke - "Ask not what the government can do for you but what you can do for your country".

When you get into universal health care, affordable medication, "free" college, "free" housing, what you are really saying is government health care, government medicine, etc. I just struggle with that concept because I don't know if that should be the role of government. It just sounds too potentially fascist. Remember, Hitler created government jobs that built government cars (Volkswagen) so that your government salary could buy a government car so that your government car could drive to government stores to buy government goods.

I think we can find solutions without turning more power over to the government.
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All of these programs can be found in several other countries and there is no fascist regimes to be found in them. But hey. If you have better alternatives to these programs that do exist and have been proven to work, then I would love to hear them.

I don't consider wanting the gov to take better care of its citizens through the funds we provide them big brother. Universal healthcare has been shown to save our country money. Something like free college would pay dividends by producing a better educated work force. Or do you think it is more American to allow foreign students come and receive a higher education from our Universities and take that knowledge back home and apply it there instead?
 
Fugazy said:
You are an idiot if you think the border is all that hard to cross.

I know business owners of large companies that had staff who were tied into organized crime in Mexico. When they needed a new cheap employee they would tell the guy to send them one of their "cousins" and voila, within a week there was a new Mexican or South American at work with 3 names.

Shit wasn't even a secret. Lol.
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Great story mate, its so well detailed and productive to the conversation.
 
nostradumbass said:
So hard, in fact, that 46% of criminal deportations had already been deported at least once, some as many as 40 times and were still able to sneak back in every time without problem. They must be border evading masterminds.

https://cis.org/Revolving-Door
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Yes, years ago, before security got really tight in the last few years.

Also im not even entertaining CIS as a source.
 
nostradumbass said:
And again, someone who crossed the border illegally is unlikely to answer the census honestly if at all, making the number from which the legal immigrants were subtracted much smaller, which again proves that most of those not counted were border crossings.
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Could very well be, that being said, do you realize that a larger number of illegals also lowers the cost of illegal immigrants and reduces their criminal rates right?
 
lifelessheap said:
Nobody is against legal migration. She is in favor of ILLEGAL immigration. She is therefore a fucking traitor and anti American.
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Except Trump and most of his voting base including you.
 
Hilarious that the OP got so many likes . . . From people who didn't watch the video and just read the thread title lol? The OP was sarcastic, wasn't it?
 
AndroidRage said:
All of these programs can be found in several other countries and there is no fascist regimes to be found in them. But hey. If you have better alternatives to these programs that do exist and have been proven to work, then I would love to hear them.

I don't consider wanting the gov to take better care of its citizens through the funds we provide them big brother. Universal healthcare has been shown to save our country money. Something like free college would pay dividends by producing a better educated work force. Or do you think it is more American to allow foreign students come and receive a higher education from our Universities and take that knowledge back home and apply it there instead?
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I think we would be better served to use government through laws and legislation to help citizens rather than turn over power and have them be the actual provider of these services. Free college is not free. It would have to be publicly funded. Where is all of this money going to come from without people paying more taxes? No one, including Bernie has said how he would pay for it other than saying he would tax the rich more. I like Bernie but if you keep taxing the rich, there will be a breaking point.

I wish education was looked at more like the Greeks did. Making it free means that every job will expect a college education for even trivial jobs. Not everyone is cut out or needs to go to college. The people that do, it'll basically be like public schools. Are you really going to get a good education out of that?

Going to college, buying a house, getting a good job. These are things that are worth working hard for. I don't think you should have to go into lifelong debt for any of them though. That needs to be resolved but if you just give people everything, there's nothing to work for. It's similar to low income housing and I can speak from personal experience on this one.

When I first moved out, I was making a little above $10 an hour (this was like 20 years ago). Because of my relatively low income, I qualified for low income housing. I found an amazing loft with exposed hardware, open floor plan and the works that I could rent for only $500 a month because of low income status. If I made above 30k, I would no longer qualify and the normal rent was $1500.

So wait...I keep low paying jobs and have an awesome loft and still manage to make ends meet, or I make above 30k and get to pay more than double the rent for the same thing? Where is the incentive to make more money and do better in life? You can just stay broke and have the government give you everything. This is why free and social programs aren't always good. They make people lazy.

I'm open-minded to solutions. Including social programs. What I'm not into is going full socialist or turning into a nanny state.
 
This is just a loud-mouthed brat who is riding the wave of her entitlement (for being a female and having a last name Cortez). The perfect Democrat candidate.
 
Rod1 said:
Great story mate, its so well detailed and productive to the conversation.
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More productive than your lie about how hard it us to cross the border.
 
Fugazy said:
More productive than your lie about how hard it us to cross the border.
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Right, so why dont you try to cross the border illegaly undetected and see what happens.
 
splendica said:
This is just a loud-mouthed brat who is riding the wave of her entitlement (for being a female and having a last name Cortez). The perfect Democrat candidate.
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Right, its the left who empowered loud-mouthed brats...

Did you watched the Republican primaries?
 
Rod1 said:
Right, its the left who empowered loud-mouthed brats...

Did you watched the Republican primaries?
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Democrats with a platform of nothingness. A bunch of self-seeking charlatans. What does Trump get for all of his efforts? A bunch of bought media lying continually. All but the majority of FOX.
 
I think she's rather hot. And she seems a bit crazy.

Good combo imo
 
Rod1 said:
Right, so why dont you try to cross the border illegaly undetected and see what happens.
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I know and have known dozens of people who have made it. As a fit adult I'm sure I could make it. Especially with my connections an Especially considering that you essentially get unlimited tries.

If it is so impossibly hard then how do 10's of thousands of people do it every year..?

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splendica said:
Democrats with a platform of nothingness. A bunch of self-seeking charlatans. What does Trump get for all of his efforts? A bunch of bought media lying continually. All but the majority of FOX.
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That doesnt matches reality.

Fact is that Trump is president.
 
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