Opinion Ocasio-Cortez annihilates Trump about wall

[Brodels]

Visa overstay is absolutely the worst offenders from illegals.

A wall won't stop much of shit .We should be improving man power and tech for enforcing the border

And deporting the other pieces of shit

 

[Brodels]

Btw an important caveat. IF the Yale study estimating 20 million (which have many variables that simply cannot be verified as they themselves state) instead of the previously estimated 11 million based on surveys, is right, then that would mean that illegal immigrants commit 50% less crime than previously thought. They are already under the national level as it is.

I don't understand how you can keep supporting the additional crimes committed by illegals just because "it's less than the national level" that's some ridiculous ass backwards logic dude.

 

[nostradumbass]

Btw an important caveat. IF the Yale study estimating 20 million (which have many variables that simply cannot be verified as they themselves state) instead of the previously estimated 11 million based on surveys, is right, then that would mean that illegal immigrants commit 50% less crime than previously thought. They are already under the national level as it is.

The hell would you want anybody at all coming here committing crime? The number should be 0. And what the hell happened to "illegals under report crime out of fear of deportation" as the excuse to just give them legal status?

 

[Fronk]

We don't know you say, after claiming that half was 20+ million and that visa overstays weren't a thing.

How can you make a resonable comparison in statistics between undocumented border crossers and overstayed visas, the former being an obvious guesstimate, since the whole point is that they are undocumented and slips through the system, while the latter isn't?

 

[Sano]

I don't understand how you can keep supporting the additional crimes committed by illegals just because "it's less than the national level" that's some ridiculous ass backwards logic dude.

I don't support any crime. I am saying that the picture being painted that illegals commit more crime, or are criminals by nature, is a false narrative.

The hell would you want anybody at all coming here committing crime?

That's just fantasy land talk. No population anywhere in the world has a zero crime rate. If the people coming to your country commit less crime per capita than the native population, in some cases far less, then that's definitely not a detriment of having those people come. Nevermind that you're a country entirely made up of immigrants only a few hundred years old.

 

[Sano]

How can you make a resonable comparison in statistics between undocumented border crossers and overstayed visas, the former being an obvious guesstimate, since the whole point is that they are undocumented and slips through the system, while the latter isn't?

You go by the estimates based on the data from surveys, border apprehensions, decades of border patrol, expert opinion on the border and elsewhere, statistical analysis, residential populations, working population and so on. It's not perfect obviously, which is why it's an estimate. The visa overstays are hard facts though, and without talking in percentages they consist of about 5 million of illegal immigrants being visa overstays. That's relevant when painting everyone with the same brush and citing the stats.

I wasn't the one who claimed that the US had 40+ million illegal immigrants without even checking a single source.

 

[nostradumbass]

I don't support any crime. I am saying that the picture being painted that illegals commit more crime, or are criminals by nature, is a false narrative.


That's just fantasy land talk. No population anywhere in the world has a zero crime rate. If the people coming to your country commit less crime per capita than the native population, in some cases far less, then that's definitely not a detriment of having those people come. Nevermind that you're a country entirely made up of immigrants only a few hundred years old.

That's one of the more ridiculous things I've heard recently. How in the absolute hell is additional crime not additional crime? On what planet is additional crime not a detriment? It's not true anyway.

And spare me the "nation of immigrants" nonsense. Going to undeveloped land to settle and build a civilization is not at all comparable to sneaking into a post-industrial country and signing up for benefits.

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Watch in 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation’s most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for the crime of homicide.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

 

[KantoTerror]

She talks like US is against Immigrants...no...what Trump is against are illegals...they are the ones that are not welcome...she has a nice body though...

 

[KantoTerror]

I don't support any crime. I am saying that the picture being painted that illegals commit more crime, or are criminals by nature, is a false narrative.


That's just fantasy land talk. No population anywhere in the world has a zero crime rate. If the people coming to your country commit less crime per capita than the native population, in some cases far less, then that's definitely not a detriment of having those people come. Nevermind that you're a country entirely made up of immigrants only a few hundred years old.

well if they come to the country illegally...isn't that a crime in itself? So automatically they commited the crime there...

 

[Sano]

That's one of the more ridiculous things I've heard recently. How in the absolute hell is additional crime not additional crime? On what planet is additional crime not a detriment? It's not true anyway.

And spare me the "nation of immigrants" nonsense. Going to undeveloped land to settle and build a civilization is not at all comparable to sneaking into a post-industrial country and signing up for benefits.


https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

This argument is inane. Yes it's additional crime, but the more people means the less you are likely to be the victim of a crime if the per capita goes down, even if the absolute number goes up. I mean, this shouldn't even be a point of contention it's like completely basic stuff. If the pool gets bigger, yet a certain population of that increasing pool commit less crime then that population is preferrable if crime is the only outcome you are inquiring. Besides that, the net amount of immigrants from Mexico has been decreasing for the last few years and that's actually a problem, With emmigration and immigration you need a certain amount of people in your country to sustain yourself.

I'm not talking about the English who settled, I'm talking about the Irish, German, Italian, Polish, Scandinavian and so on who immigrated in extremely large numbers during the late 1800s and early 1900s. If you go back one or two generation only about 10% of Americans can be traced to the founding fathers and that's only like 300 years ago. Look up the demographical ancestry of your own country.

That article is laughable. It's an opinion piece by a contributor, and if you check the sourcing it goes to an obscure webpage called "corruption watch" which has articles that looks worse than Breitbart. It also uses itself as the source for its "articles" which should be a giant red flag. The statistics on immigration crime has been gone through countless times on here and you're free to look for it.

 

[7437]

well if they come to the country illegally...isn't that a crime in itself? So automatically they commited the crime there...

not all the time. depends on how you do it.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

And deporting the other pieces of shit

Im ok with visa overstays if they're nonviolent productives. Any violent crime by an overstay should be out the door

 

[KantoTerror]

not all the time. depends on how you do it.

 

[7437]

........ yes?

 

[TeTe]

I don't support building of the wall at all.

But her arguments against it suck. Trump's arguments for the wall suck.

 

[Sano]

well if they come to the country illegally...isn't that a crime in itself? So automatically they commited the crime there...

Theortically yes, but that is not the point of contention nor is it what anyone is talking about when they say that they are criminals. That's not arguing in good faith.

 

[KantoTerror]

Theortically yes, but that is not the point of contention nor is it what anyone is talking about when they say that they are criminals. That's not arguing in good faith.

and when you open the borders, how are you going to stop the ones who will commit violent crimes?

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Cortez couldnt destroy a kid with down-syndrome in a debate, much like most of her supporters.

 

[Sano]

and when you open the borders, how are you going to stop the ones who will commit violent crimes?

I don't know what you mean by open the borders. Through legal immigration you'd have some sort of a vetting process, but even if they have no criminal history I don't think you could ever be sure. I might have some ideas as a general notion how to reduce crime in society, but i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how to stop violent crime from happening at all in America.

 

[chardog]

What about you look it up? Seriously how hard can it be... Why do you not believe something you haven't bothered to use two seconds to check.

Since 2007 Visa Overstays have Outnumbered Undocumented Border Crossers by a Half Million
http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/

Half of the Illegal Population Are Overstays?
The State Department needs to do a better job
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays

Analyzing the New Visa Overstay Report
https://cis.org/Report/Analyzing-New-Visa-Overstay-Report

Most are Canadian btw. Here's a sample from 2015.

Also 20 million is half of the illegal immigrants now? You don't even know the estimates. Something you can look up again.

I hear those Canadians are a massive drain on our society.....