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Opinion Ocasio-Cortez annihilates Trump about wall

I know and have known dozens of people who have made it. As a fit adult I'm sure I could make it. Especially with my connections an Especially considering that you essentially get unlimited tries.

If it is so impossibly hard then how do 10's of thousands of people do it every year..?

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Is this sarcasm or something?
 
Visa overstays account for nearly half of all illegal immigration, including from countries other than Mexico

She didn't say open borders and none of you can name a single politician advocating for that because none of them are

This has nothing to do with socialism, and on that note "Venezuela!!1!111!!" (never mind the sanctions on Venezuela fucking them over btw)

Homogeneous population

Immigrants commit less crime than native born citizens

ICE actually does do horrific shit and doesn't need to exist, nor did it exist two decades ago

Immigration is down and yet Trump is the only president to see this as a crisis, even Reagan was far more left leaning on immigration

There, just addressed every response.

Hillary literally said she wanted open borders. She used those exact words.
 
Is this sarcasm or something?

No it's not.

I'm not bullshitting.

I know two business owners who literally order Mexican and South American labor at will.

I know lots of people who either help or are connected to people who help people get across illegally.

I know lots of people who have been deported only to come back in a couple of months.

I think what they do is very wrong, but these people certainly exist.
 
No it's not.

I'm not bullshitting.

I know two business owners who literally order Mexican and South American labor at will.

I know lots of people who either help or are connected to people who help people get across illegally.

I know lots of people who have been deported only to come back in a couple of months.

I think what they do is very wrong, but these people certainly exist.

You claim that the border is easy to cross and that you personally would cross it no problemo without getting caught by the border patrol.

2/10.
 
You claim that the border is easy to cross and that you personally would cross it no problemo without getting caught by the border patrol.

2/10.

So, tell me, how do 10's of thousands of people cross the border illegally every year if it is some impossible undertaking?

I know and have know many people who have. Most of them are poor physically small, and not well educated, how did they do it?

There are coyotes who become millionaires getting people across, how do they stay in business when many of their clients have to pay them with interest once they make it into America?
 
So, tell me, how do 10's of thousands of people cross the border illegally every year if it is some impossible undertaking?

I know and have know many people who have. Most of them are poor physically small, and not well educated, how did they do it?

There are coyotes who become millionaires getting people across, how do they stay in business when many of their clients have to pay them with interest once they make it into America?

Its not an impossible undertaking, but its not easy either.
 
Its not an impossible undertaking, but its not easy either.

And there is the cop out.

It is easy enough that there are people who successfully do it multiple times or become rich helping others do it.

You asked me if I could do it, I'm a former athlete, I have more money than most illegals and I know people who help people get across. Yes I could do it.

And if I got caught, just like them, I would just attempt again.

It is terribly possible. Chubby South American women do it while dragging 2 kids.

Get real man.
 
This argument is inane. Yes it's additional crime, but the more people means the less you are likely to be the victim of a crime if the per capita goes down, even if the absolute number goes up. I mean, this shouldn't even be a point of contention it's like completely basic stuff. If the pool gets bigger, yet a certain population of that increasing pool commit less crime then that population is preferrable if crime is the only outcome you are inquiring. Besides that, the net amount of immigrants from Mexico has been decreasing for the last few years and that's actually a problem, With emmigration and immigration you need a certain amount of people in your country to sustain yourself.

I'm not talking about the English who settled, I'm talking about the Irish, German, Italian, Polish, Scandinavian and so on who immigrated in extremely large numbers during the late 1800s and early 1900s. If you go back one or two generation only about 10% of Americans can be traced to the founding fathers and that's only like 300 years ago. Look up the demographical ancestry of your own country.

That article is laughable. It's an opinion piece by a contributor, and if you check the sourcing it goes to an obscure webpage called "corruption watch" which has articles that looks worse than Breitbart. It also uses itself as the source for its "articles" which should be a giant red flag. The statistics on immigration crime has been gone through countless times on here and you're free to look for it.
Sorry if you don't want to hear "hate facts" but the number of people in prison is not a matter of opinion. I have seen the dishonest sources making that claim. They keep numbers of legal status for federal crimes, for which illegals are hugely over represented for non immigration crimes. States keep loose numbers of citizens and noncitizens and don't even count legal status

Is factcheck also a racist hate group?
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/
The issue is ripe for dispute because, as we said, there are not readily available statistics on this issue. The Justice Department keeps data on federal crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally — and an analysis from the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that undocumented immigrants made up a disproportionate share of federal inmates sentenced for nonimmigration crimes in 2016. But the vast majority of crimes (more than 90 percent) are dealt with at the state and local level, where those kinds of data are harder to come by because those jurisdictions rarely record whether prisoners are immigrants in the country illegally.

Not enough illegals is a problem? Where do you guys come up with this shit? Has there ever been another political party anywhere arguing in favor of illegal immigration besides current American democrats and had this many people nodding in bovine agreement and parroting fake stats? Oh yeah, violent crime is so low in Mexico that naturally not asking who someone is when the come here would lower the crime. I guess we just got really lucky that everyone crossing the border illegally from a country with 4.5 times the murder rate have been a bunch of angels.

Good, since you are aware how few people here are descended from people around during the civil war, surely you'd agree that everyone should STFU about slavery reparations and evil whitey.

And no, those crimes would not have existed if the people committing them were not here, as they shouldn't have been. Who gives a shit if they increased the number of people here? Oh cool, we get the privilege of taking care of another country's poor people at our expense and all we have to do is put up with a little more murder, rape, drug smuggling and child trafficking? Sign me up.
 
And there is the cop out.

It is easy enough that there are people who successfully do it multiple times or become rich helping others do it.

You asked me if I could do it, I'm a former athlete, I have more money than most illegals and I know people who help people get across. Yes I could do it.

And if I got caught, just like them, I would just attempt again.

It is terribly possible. Chubby South American women do it while dragging 2 kids.

Get real man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Tanner
 
Could very well be, that being said, do you realize that a larger number of illegals also lowers the cost of illegal immigrants and reduces their criminal rates right?
Um, no, it doesn't lower the cost, that's ridiculous. The cost is the cost and whether it lowers the cost PER CAPITA doesn't negate the fact that fewer illegals=less cost.

Since having your country's poor people and criminals come here is such a sweet deal for us, I'm surprised you're so in favor of them coming here. Seems like you'd be fighting to keep these prizes on that side of the border. Are we pretending that your concern is that a "wasteful" border wall will just be too much of a burden for taxpayers of a country you don't live in or pay taxes in?
 
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Lol.

It's okay to be wrong.

ABOUT HALF OF THE ILLEGALS IN THIS COUNTRY CAME THROUGH THE BORDER, THAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 10 MILLION PEOPLE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

IF 5 TO 10 MILLION PEOPLE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, MANY OF THEM BEING IMPOVERISHED, UNEDUCATED, UNDERFED PEASANTS, THAT MEANS THE "SOMETHING" IS VERY POSSIBLE.

IT IS OKAY TO BE WRONG, IT IS NOT OKAY TO CHOOSE TO BE AN IDIOT.

RIGHT NOW YOU ARE CHOOSING TO BE AN IDIOT.

I HOPE YOU GET A GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP AND WAKE UP WANTING TO DO BETTER TOMORROW.

YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED. (Just like the impenetrable border is constantly defeated by tiny poor women)
 
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I won't apologize for my caps lock.

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Hillary literally said she wanted open borders. She used those exact words.
She was just talking about energy. Besides, that was her private persona talking. <Varys01>
 
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So, tell me, how do 10's of thousands of people cross the border illegally every year if it is some impossible undertaking?

I know and have know many people who have. Most of them are poor physically small, and not well educated, how did they do it?

There are coyotes who become millionaires getting people across, how do they stay in business when many of their clients have to pay them with interest once they make it into America?

Bro go across the border illegally with drugs if you can't this proves it can't be done and we don't need a wall that will be a deterrent physical barrier... pffftttt stupid orange voters pfffftttt!!

I wonder why the professionals in ICE and border patrol want the wall? We should listen to the experts in the intelligence communites about Clinton and Trump, but not the other experts in other parts of the governement ?
 
Um, no, it doesn't lower the cost, that's ridiculous. The cost is the cost and whether it lowers the cost PER CAPITA doesn't negate the fact that fewer illegals=less cost.

Since having your country's poor people and criminals come here is such a sweet deal for us, I'm surprised you're so in favor of them coming here. Seems like you'd be fighting to keep these prizes on that side of the border. Are we pretending that your concern is that a "wasteful" border wall will just be too much of a burden for taxpayers of a country you don't live in or pay taxes in?

1.- Per capita costs are calculated based on the total, so is criminal rates.

2.- Im actually hoping they build the border wall, it will be a nice way to remind Americans they voted a fucking reality TV star in.

3.- Right, since in from Mexico im clearly pro-immigration, want to deal with illegal immigration? make it a federal crime to hire illegals, pass national e-verify, make it impossible for illegals to function in society without papers and the problem would dry up really quick.

But you dont, because your society likes cheap labor and its deficit spending requires constant population growth which immigrants provide.
 
Bro go across the border illegally with drugs if you can't this proves it can't be done and we don't need a wall that will be a deterrent physical barrier... pffftttt stupid orange voters pfffftttt!!

I wonder why the professionals in ICE and border patrol want the wall? We should listen to the experts in the intelligence communites about Clinton and Trump, but not the other experts in other parts of the governement ?

They are indeed stupid if they think a wall will fix the illegal and drug issue.

If i recall correctly the number 1 issue the border has is that its understaffed, and a wall wont solve that issue.
 
Lol.

It's okay to be wrong.

ABOUT HALF OF THE ILLEGALS IN THIS COUNTRY CAME THROUGH THE BORDER, THAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 10 MILLION PEOPLE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

IF 5 TO 10 MILLION PEOPLE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, MANY OF THEM BEING IMPOVERISHED, UNEDUCATED, UNDERFED PEASANTS, THAT MEANS THE "SOMETHING" IS VERY POSSIBLE.

IT IS OKAY TO BE WRONG, IT IS NOT OKAY TO CHOOSE TO BE AN IDIOT.

RIGHT NOW YOU ARE CHOOSING TO BE AN IDIOT.

I HOPE YOU GET A GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP AND WAKE UP WANTING TO DO BETTER TOMORROW.

YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED. (Just like the impenetrable border is constantly defeated by tiny poor women)

How many of them came after Operation Phalanx? How many of them are asylum claimants?
 
They are indeed stupid if they think a wall will fix the illegal and drug issue.

If i recall correctly the number 1 issue the border has is that its understaffed, and a wall wont solve that issue.
You are 100% correct a wall won't fix it solely, but it will be part of the defense in depth that will help it.

Stupid banks putting all that money in vaults, don't they know if someone really wants to get in the vault and steal money they can? Now add layers and layers of defense in depth. A wall is one part of the layers and I am not seeing any action or policies from the opposition of the wall on how to tackle the problem.
 
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