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58miles said:
Speaking of corruption Obama and Clinton must have been a criminal masterminds considering that nobody associated with Obama was ever charged/convicted of a crime and only 2 during Clinton's time in office.
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A mastermind? No. Just complacency with not following the rule of law. That is the real motivation for the charge against Trump. As an outsider, he threatens the career politicians who do as they please.
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
You claimed that Obama wire tapped his "political opponent's home and/or campaign offices" and you bring up surveillance on Manafort?:rolleyes:
Trump's claim were debunked like 15 months ago.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/02/obama-trump-tower-wiretap-no-evidence-242284
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Nothing was debunked. Politico is a left-wing propaganda outlet.

Cake4Breakfast said:
And Trump said, on camera, that he was going to fire Comey regardless of Rosenstein's recommendation, and then he told two Russian government officials in the White House that firing Comey relieved great pressure.
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I have seen no such video, but it was Rosenstein's recommendation none the less.

Cake4Breakfast said:
And then Trump had to be talked back from the ledge from firing Mueller, rage tweeted for 18 months at Sessions and pushed him out over the Russia investigation, and he is dangling pardons over key witnesses in the investigation if they don't rat. Try to keep up.;)
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It's not a crime for the President of the United States to exercise his Constituional powers (i.e., firing the head of the FBI). Good riddance to Comey.
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
You refuse to accept basic facts, you are here saying the same stupid debunked shit from last fall. You just wake up from a coma or what?
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None of it has been debunked. How the fuck could Politico possibly know what information the President was using a basis for making that statement. Politico would have absolutely no way of knowing with certainty what is not true (i.e., "debunked"). You have a very selective definition of "basic facts."
 
fonzob1 said:
None of it has been debunked. How the fuck could Politico possibly know what information the President was using a basis for making that statement. Politico would have absolutely no way of knowing with certainty what is not true (i.e., "debunked"). You have a very selective definition of "basic facts."
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Could you take 30 seconds and read the actual article, you will see that the DOJ's document is linked. Going forward, your null hypothesis should always be that Trump is a lying sack of shit.


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3985960-DOJ-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment-in-Trump-Tower.html
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
so you should ignore the fact that Trump lies constantly about everything?
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He doesn't lie about his campaign promises (which is much more than we can say about most politicians). Enough lies from enough people can completely obliterate a Republic if that is what they are intended to do.
 
fonzob1 said:
He doesn't lie about his campaign promises (which is much more than we can say about most politicians). Enough lies from enough people can completely obliterate a Republic if that is what they are intended to do.
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Is healthcare better and cheaper like he said, or did he not understand how complicated the healthcare system was and his party got its ass kicked last month? Is Mexico paying for the wall like he said, or did he try to make American taxpayers pay for it, and then Pelosi and Schumer kicked his ass? Is Hillary going to be in jail like he said? Did he have no dealing with Russia like he said? etc., etc., etc.,

And look at the bullshit today with him lying about Isis is Syria, and him pulling out troops: “We have defeated Isis in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.”

Yet his own military advisors and state department say this isn't true, republican senators are saying that this isn't true, and the British Defense minister responded “I strongly disagree. It has morphed into other forms of extremism and the threat is very much alive.” With the US out, Russia is now the dominant military power in the most consequential conflict in the Middle East, and can do as it pleases.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...defeated-in-syria-despite-trump-claim-says-uk

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fonzob1 said:
He doesn't lie about his campaign promises (which is much more than we can say about most politicians). Enough lies from enough people can completely obliterate a Republic if that is what they are intended to do.
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Also, in terms of lies, listen to what the judge had to say about the conduct of Flynn that Trump, Sanders, conservative media, and sherdoggers like you who just repeat shit you hear from them, have tried to say was negligible, instead attacking (1) the FBI agents who interviewed him (2) the deputy FBI director (3) the FBI director (4) Yates, a deputy AG acting as AG (5) Rosenstein, the deputy AG overseeing the Russia investigation because Sessions recused himself (6) Session for recusing himself. And Team Trump was painting Judge Sullivan, just a few days ago, as a "man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power" who has a "track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct"

"you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the National Security Advisor, the President of the United States' most senior national security aide. I cant minimize that. I mean arguably that undermines everything this flag over here stands for.." Judge Emmet Sullivan

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Cake4Breakfast said:
Also, in terms of lies, listen to what the judge had to say about the conduct of Flynn that Trump, Sanders, conservative media, and sherdoggers like you who just repeat shit you hear from them, have tried to say was negligible, instead attacking (1) the FBI agents who interviewed him (2) the deputy FBI director (3) the FBI director (4) Yates, a deputy AG acting as AG (5) Rosenstein, the deputy AG overseeing the Russia investigation because Sessions recused himself (6) Session for recusing himself. And Team Trump was painting Judge Sullivan, just a few days ago, as a "man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power" who has a "track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct"

"you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the National Security Advisor, the President of the United States' most senior national security aide. I cant minimize that. I mean arguably that undermines everything this flag over here stands for.." Judge Emmet Sullivan

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You don't know dick about where I get my intel. That judge is a disgrace. He initially accused Flynn of treason even though Flynn has been convicted of no such crime. It was unprecedented garbage. I seem to recall many Democrats protesting Kavanaugh showing emotion during his testimony and suggesting a judge should never show emotion.

What Trump underestimated was the difficulty in dealing with Congress. They couldn't come to an agreement on new Health Care legislation, and I understand exactly why.

I will take lying Donald Trump over lying Hillary Clinton 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
 
fonzob1 said:
You don't know dick about where I get my intel. That judge is a disgrace. He initially accused Flynn of treason even though Flynn has been convicted of no such crime. It was unprecedented garbage. I seem to recall many Democrats protesting Kavanaugh showing emotion during his testimony and suggesting a judge should never show emotion.

What Trump underestimated was the difficulty in dealing with Congress. They couldn't come to an agreement on new Health Care legislation, and I understand exactly why.

I will take lying Donald Trump over lying Hillary Clinton 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
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Yeah, no practicing law enforcement agent, or judge, especially those who previously were held in high regard by conservatives, should be listened to when it comes to anything having to do with Trump. Trump says it, you believe and that is that. Trump can do no wrong, especially not when he is doing the exact same things you guys hate Hillary for supposedly doing. Difference is Team Trump has AG's, law enforcement agents, and judges saying they did it, instead of some dumpy right wing nut job on TV or the internet.

And sure, I don't know exactly where you get your information, but you say the same shit all the other Trumpleforeskins say on here at the same time that shit is being peddled around conservative media. My parents keeps Fox News babbling in the background when I am there helping around their house, so I hear all of the bullshit around the same time y'all are running to your computers to post the same shit here.
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
Yeah, no practicing law enforcement agent, or judge, especially those who previously were held in high regard by conservatives, should be listened to when it comes to anything having to do with Trump. Trump says it, you believe and that is that. Trump can do no wrong, especially not when he is doing the exact same things you guys hate Hillary for supposedly doing. Difference is Team Trump has AG's, law enforcement agents, and judges saying they did it, instead of some dumpy right wing nut job on TV or the internet.

And sure, I don't know exactly where you get your information, but you say the same shit all the other Trumpleforeskins say on here at the same time that shit is being peddled around conservative media. My parents keeps Fox News babbling in the background when I am there helping around their house, so I hear all of the bullshit around the same time y'all are running to your computers to post the same shit here.
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The judge was partisan, and he accused Flynn of things he wasn't even charged with. It doesn't matter what poor choices Flynn may have made, the judge said things that were not proper.

Politics will always be a world of lesser evils. Hillary was nearly the worst possible option.
 
fonzob1 said:
The judge was partisan, and he accused Flynn of things he wasn't even charged with. It doesn't matter what poor choices Flynn may have made, the judge said things that were not proper.

Politics will always be a world of lesser evils. Hillary was nearly the worst possible option.
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Mueller is trying to get Flynn out of jail free so that others will see that there is a benefit to cooperate, instead of not being a rat and then hoping for a pardon (that Trump has been dangling). The judge is in a different situation, he had access to documents and evidence not made available to the public and the pundits, and based on what he saw, he thought Mueller was taking it easy Flynn, and and based on what he saw, and based on what Flynn's lawyers were saying (thinking that Sullivan would be on Flynn's side because as ardent Trump defender Judge Pirro said, he has a "track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct" and is a "man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power") about how Flynn was wronged, he was furious at Flynn's bullshit. There were more crimes there that Mueller isn't pursuing, and in any other reality, people who think like you would be livid if it were Susan Rice caught red handed and pleading guilty to the same shit.

And Sullivan a partisan? GTFO with that panic wrestling bullshit! "In 1984, he was nominated to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia by former President Ronald Reagan, to the District of Columbia Court of Appeals in 1992 by former President George H.W. Bush, and the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia in 1994 by former President Bill Clinton."

As usual, someone who was well respected by the right up until they didn't carry water for Trump's bullshit is now a partisan. Add that to the list of Rosenstein and Mueller (and even Comey who Trump was praising and making a big lovey dovey scene with after the inauguration) and anyone else investigating Trump or anyone associated with him. Everyone in wrong, angry, lying, unethical, and corrupt except for Trump, and all of the lies, corruption, and crimes by Trump, and by the scumbags he surrounded himself with (including his kids), don't matter because "bbbbbut Hillary." I mean consider the devil's advocate argument against your beliefs for a second guy, or at a minimum put the 2016 election in the past and be willing to look at Trump with some level of skepticism.
 
That people still defend trump after all the lies and shit he pulled is not only baffling but most of all very very frightening
 
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