NYTJorge Ramos: ‘Trump Got His Wish. Mexico Is Now the Wall’ (Mexico is paying for border security)

[bobgeese]

I don't recall Trump promising that Mexico would pay for a wall on the Guatemala border.

Three walls for the price of 1


Mexico sends nearly 15,000 troops to the US border

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/amer...00-troops-to-us-mexico-border-intl/index.html


Now, we just need one more for those pesky canucks.

 

[bobgeese]

translation: I wish I was American but since I'm not, I wish the worst for your country.

all you know of the US is from your computer screen. sorry bro. but I defecate upon your anti-American sentiment.

the last time we got into it, you bailed - I asked you the hard hitting questions because your ignorance was too unbelievable.

so naturally, I deduced that you weren't American, English is your second language, & that you yourself are an immigrant in whatever country you're in.

also I know you've never been here. the last time I posted this pic, you got so mad haha

But... but.... America was better in 2000.



4ch said so!!!

 

[AlexDB9]

We the Latinos are ready to trade Ramos with any other race. Give us anybody and we will take it, PTBNL included....(No we are keeping Shakira)

 

[goldennirvana]

Military/Strength - not even a competition

So what? No one's trying to invade America, militarily. So how does having the world's strongest military benefit the average citizen? Having the world strongest military doesn't prevent the southern border from being flooded, does it? A lot of fucking good, there.

Education - we have the most intelligent/innovative country in the world.

The American education system is failing and has been for a while. The universities are laughing stocks and getting worse.

We are leading the fields that will revolutionize the world, like quantum computing and AI.

You sure do have an obsession with QC & AI, eh? How weird.

Are you absolutely certain they will benefit the human condition? Or are you just repeating what you've heard other people say?

Do we have the highest test scores, no. Because we’re a huge country with a vast range between our citizens. As we educate and provide opportunity, we manage to make every generation in America better and better.

American youth are poorer than the generations that came before them. Their happiness levels & wealth are declining, not getting better.

https://www.ft.com/content/81343d9e-187b-11e8-9e9c-25c814761640

Healthcare - it’s not free, but it’s undoubtedly the best. Our hospitals and doctors are the best in the world.

Nope. Many countries rank higher.

Standard of living - are you serious? Our poor live in houses twice as big as well to do Europeans.

What on earth are you babbling on about?

 

[*Z*]

Three walls for the price of 1


Mexico sends nearly 15,000 troops to the US border

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/amer...00-troops-to-us-mexico-border-intl/index.html


Now, we just need one more for those pesky canucks.

I'm glad Mexico is actually enforcing their laws, but it's a stretch to call this a wall.

 

[woodguyatl]

Oh how painful this must be for the left. Trump has accomplished his once laughable promise of getting Mexico to “pay for the wall”. Ramos is just the latest to come out and say this, so bass cnn and others (see links)




“Mexico has effectively turned into an extension of Mr. Trump’s immigration police beyond American territory. And this is the case on multiple fronts: On the southern border with Guatemala, they prevent Central American migrants from coming into Mexico; on the northern one, they block those seeking entry to the United States from leaving. The decision of Mexico’s President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, also known as AMLO, to follow this approach is misguided. He should let migrants continue their journey north.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/opinion/international-world/mexico-migrants.html



Cnn

Mexico already built Trump's wall -- and paid for it
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/20/americas/mexico-border-wall-trump/index.html



NBC

Trump did get Mexico to build a wall

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-did-get-mexico-build-wall-its-troops-its-own-ncna1119466

And under Obama you could keep your doctor (you just had to pay yourself.) but you and I both know that is not what they meant.

 

[weed]

But... but.... America was better in 2000.



4ch said so!!!

bro - he had the balls to tell me immigration was a new thing in the US, when I told him our country was built by immigrants, that our very story is one about immigrants. so I posted that "melting pot" picture from 1908, & he kept moving goal posts, saying that picture only proves the concept of immigration was still new.

 

[goldennirvana]

I can assure you, it’s better now than in 2000. In fact, that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read here.

Impossible. There was far less racial tension back then, far fewer Muslims in America, far less identity politics...

America of 2000 was a far better country to live in. That's just a fact.

 

[Koro_11]

It makes no difference. America's decline & collapse is already unavoidable. America in 50 years time will be a totally different country... in other words, a country you won't want to live in.

If this were true would it make you happy?

 

[goldennirvana]

Astonishing Numbers: America's Poor Still Live Better Than Most Of The Rest Of Humanity

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...an-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#734dd73b54ef

Dumb. You can say the same about 'Britain's poor', 'France's poor', 'Germany's poor', 'Italy's poor', 'Ireland's poor'... basically any Western country. That's because most of the rest of the world is extremely poor.

The article you linked to proves it...

America doesn't even rank No. 1 on that list. lol

Imagine being so desperate for a counter-argument you have to compare your country to the third world. LOL

Anyway, America is still declining due to mass immigration/diversity. You seem to have forgotten what we were arguing about.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

why is America so good?

remind me, what language are we posting in?
what sport, is this site centered on?
who runs this website?
what country runs the number 1 org in that sport?

shit, whom invented the internet we are all typing on right now?
who has the largest global military and economic power in world history?
where is the IMF located? the world bank?
who controls the UN? NATO?

that's right. People hate b/c we run and dominate everything, world champs. Nobody hates the San Diego Padres, fi you feel me, b/c they suck......

 

[goldennirvana]

The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most European Nations
The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most European Nations - Foundation for Economic Education - FEE.org
Aug 30, 2019 · The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most European Nations. The privilege of living in the US affords poor people more material resources than the averages for most ...

You should've read your own article, bro...

"The high consumption of America’s “poor” doesn’t mean they live better than average people in the nations they outpace, like Spain, Denmark, Japan, Greece, and New Zealand. This is because people’s quality of life also depends on their communities and personal choices, like the local politicians they elect, the violent crimes they commit, and the spending decisions they make."

But anyway... what does this have to do with America's decline due to mass immigration/diversity?

 

[bobgeese]

Impossible. There was far less racial tension back then, far fewer Muslims in America, far less identity politics...

America of 2000 was a far better country to live in. That's just a fact.

You don’t live in America. How TF would you know?



PS but... but... local politicians, and types of crime.

LOL

 

[goldennirvana]

Mass immigration is what made America.

Mass *European immigration is what made America. Not recent mass immigration from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, Afghanistan, Latin America, China, Nigeria etc etc. No sane person thinks mass immigration from these parts of the world is a positive thing. If they did, all countries would be doing it.

Now it's going to destroy it?

Life cannot exist without water... but there's such a thing as too much water.

 

[goldennirvana]

The Poor in the US Are Richer than the Middle Class in Much of Europe


https://mises.org/wire/poor-us-are-richer-middle-class-much-europe



....



“How can the goose keep btfo me”

^^^ you

What does this have to do with America declining due to mass immigration/diversity? You do realise Europe is also being destroyed by mass immigration/diversity, right?

I also love how Americans think Europe is this homogeneous country where everyone's the same, lol. Eastern Europe, for example, is still recovering from 80+ years of communism.

Your arguments are so ridiculous. lol

 

[blaseblah]

Mass *European immigration is what made America. Not recent mass immigration from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, Afghanistan, Latin America, China, Nigeria etc etc. No sane person thinks mass immigration from these parts of the world is a positive thing. If they did, all countries would be doing it.

Ok, ignoring the racist implications in this post, there was absolutely mass immigration from non-European countries such as China, Japan, most of Africa, and Mexico itself.

The Chinese built the railroads for fucks sake. How do you not know that?

 

[bobgeese]

What does this have to do with America declining due to mass immigration/diversity? You do realise Europe is also being destroyed by mass immigration/diversity, right?

I also love how Americans think Europe is this homogeneous country where everyone's the same, lol. Eastern Europe, for example, is still recovering from 80+ years of communism.

Your arguments are so ridiculous. lol

You are literally a high functioning retard. Go back to 4ch with your nonsense.



1) You claim America is in decline. This is false, and you’re not from America, so you have nothing to base this on besides what you read on the Internet.

2) You claimed America wasn’t the best nation on Earth. America’s poor, are better off than most of the world. That’s how great America is.

3) The “racial tension” you’re crying about is mostly on twitter. Back in the real world, I get my jerk chicken in the hood. I buy my rice from Muslims, I interact with these folks everyday. We’re all good people and get along just fine.




Again, please take your “brown people will be the end of the world” arguments elsewhere.

 

[goldennirvana]

translation: I wish I was American but since I'm not, I wish the worst for your country.

You and bob are definitely a couple of civic American nationalist snowflakes, lol. I don't "wish" the worst for America, I'm simply saying America, like the rest of the West, is declining due to mass immigration/diversity.

I have no desire to be American, I can assure you. Mass shootings, high crime rate, awful foreign policy, cesspit political climate... no thanks.

all you know of the US is from your computer screen. sorry bro. but I defecate upon your anti-American sentiment.

See? Look at this snowflakery! How am I being anti-American? I've said mass immigration/diversity is destroying the entire West you dumb dumb.

the last time we got into it, you bailed - I asked you the hard hitting questions because your ignorance was too unbelievable.

Really? Got a link to the thread? I can't remember ever engaging with you on this topic. I've never lost when discussing this topic, so I'd be interested to see you post a link to the thread I "bailed" on. I'm desperate to see these "hard hitting questions" (LOL) you quizzed me on.

so naturally, I deduced that you weren't American, English is your second language, & that you yourself are an immigrant in whatever country you're in.

LMFAO English is my first language you idiot and even if English was my second language, how would that mean I'm an immigrant? You're so dumb, jesus fucking christ. lol

also I know you've never been here. the last time I posted this pic, you got so mad haha

I don't ever remember seeing that picture posted here. Can you please link to the thread? Come on, put your money where your mouth is, son.

 

[ultramanhyata]

No, when seeking Asylum you should do it in the first country you enter. So unless these people that are seeking Asylum in the US is coming from Mexico, I don't see how they could possibly be seeking actual asylum by bypassing an entire country or countries in many cases just to reach the US. Asylum isn't what those people are seeking, its the comfort of the US and our lax policies in dealing with illegals.

That's a great theory... Too bad it doesn't reflect the actual mechanics of the legal asylum process in the US.

 

[blaseblah]

You claim America is in decline. This is false, and you’re not from America, so you have nothing to base this on besides what you read on the Internet.

This would explain a lot since he appears to believe non-white people didn't immigrate to the U.S. until recently. <45>

Guess I can ignore him now.