Nog vs Sergei 18 years ago


It is a bit depressing that someone who has spent so many years on Sherdog is basically making the same trollish simplistic arguements still, some of the stuff he's posted I'm guessing must be getting on for almost exactly the same zinger several hundred times.

Why would anyone bother to interact with this guy anymore? he's utterly incapable of honest debate and massively boring.
 
Brather if it wasn't for Rakhmanov I wouldn't even give a shit about the main card.

-Jack by leg lock (wishful thinking)
-Soriano by TKO
-Rakhmanov by TKO

Don't be a casual brather.

I actually like Strickland by the same style of fight Vettori fought and Maximov by repetitive wrestelfuck.

Agree on Shavkat though.
 
It probably has something to do with Nogueira having 21 sub victories,and stipe having 0

You must have known that before saying it?



Dude.


Tge guy said Sergei had better sub grappling than Stipe.

Why would i cite Monson-Sergei if i was talkin bout Nog???
 
If Nog could take down Mirko, he absolutely could take Francis or Gane down. Hell, even Francis wrestlefucked Gane. Prime Nog ate Mirkos kick without getting ktfo, his chin was granite. He would likely beat Gane and it'd be a toss-up vs Francis.
I dunno if it means that or not. What Francis did,Nog could not do. Nog isnt explosive like Big Frank,but he has a million different tricks to get the fight to the ground when one doesnt work. Stuff those two guys will prob have never seen. It will be HARD GOING for him to get it though. A guy like Gane would be able to stay away with his good footwork from the plodding Nog. Big Frank will try to run Nog over. First few rounds will not be easy,but if Nog can get there,he has a chance,and will have learned some weaknesses in the standup as well as maybe have the guy tired out.
 
Dude.


Tge guy said Sergei had better sub grappling than Stipe.

Why would i cite Monson-Sergei if i was talkin bout Nog???
Well,you said

"Mir almost died in a mortorcycle accident.

Then killed Nog...twice."

Only a goddamned disgusting reeking casual would say some shit like that
 
Nog was obviously not himself in the first fight.

The second fight was after the Couture fight,and that when I could see his submission skills were declining as well. If only he hadnt gone for that guillotine! ah well.

I guess we dont mention had Mir was almost ko'd himself there. Not bad for the old fossil
 
Well,you said

"Mir almost died in a mortorcycle accident.

Then killed Nog...twice."

Only a goddamned disgusting reeking casual would say some shit like that



Yea cuz casuals know about Mirs accident lol.

Tgats in response to the "zombie nog" bs

Nog got outgrappled by a concussed Mir brw...


They were contemporaries most of their careers
 
Nog was obviously not himself in the first fight.

The second fight was after the Couture fight,and that when I could see his submission skills were declining as well. If only he hadnt gone for that guillotine! ah well.

I guess we dont mention had Mir was almost ko'd himself there. Not bad for the old fossil


Yea Nog drfinitely shoulda won the rematch... biggest brainfart ever


Sylvia choosing to TD mir second
 
Yea cuz casuals know about Mirs accident lol.

Tgats in response to the "zombie nog" bs

Nog got outgrappled by a concussed Mir brw...


They were contemporaries most of their careers
They only bring up the accident in every fight,joe
How do you know he was concussed?
War Nog.
Never stray from the way.
 
If you look back really its pretty amazing to consider that for much of its existence Pride's main cards were confined mostly to limitless HW and 205lbs fights, I think that tells you a good deal about the strenght of the divisions at the time.
 
If you look back really its pretty amazing to consider that for much of its existence Pride's main cards were confined mostly to limitless HW and 205lbs fights, I think that tells you a good deal about the strenght of the divisions at the time.
Even more so at LHW

Fucking unbelievable roster,and these are just the mainstays

Wanderlei
Alistair
Sakuraba (not really a LHW but fought mostly here)
Lil Nog
Arona
Shogun
Ninja
Rampage Jackson
Dan Henderson
 
I wonder how long until these fuckin newborn baby marks start saying "LHW has historically been a garbage div" like they do w HW now,even though that isnt true at all either.
 
If you look back really its pretty amazing to consider that for much of its existence Pride's main cards were confined mostly to limitless HW and 205lbs fights, I think that tells you a good deal about the strenght of the divisions at the time.

I think running so few shows helped with stacking them tbf. When you can have the same guys on most cards it's easier to do that.
 
I think running so few shows helped with stacking them tbf. When you can have the same guys on most cards it's easier to do that.

I think that is a pretty fundamental difference as well, Pride never really tried to present itself as the entirety of MMA, as the best MMA org yes but there was generally a focus on high end matches.

In terms of the modern talent base I tend to think "you get what you pay for" sums it up well, really the UFC's model is based on having a few big fights per year but mostly on having events every week or two, what it needs to fo this is lots of "ok" fighters.
 
I think that is a pretty fundamental difference as well, Pride never really tried to present itself as the entirety of MMA, as the best MMA org yes but there was generally a focus on high end matches.

In terms of the modern talent base I tend to think "you get what you pay for" sums it up well, really the UFC's model is based on having a few big fights per year but mostly on having events every week or two, what it needs to fo this is lots of "ok" fighters.
They didnt need to promote what everyone knew. A lot less casuals around.
 
They didnt need to promote what everyone knew. A lot less casuals around.

Back then though I think there was much more of a culture of you'd watch Pride, the UFC maybe FEG and a few other orgs as well, Pride could claim to be the best but it wasnt trying to sell itself as the entirety of MMA, more like the cream of the crop.

I think that meant Pride was very focused on finding elite talent, you had some native guys who got by on pro wrestling or judo popularity but mostly it was elite fighters that filled up the cards. If they had a choice between say going after Mark Hunt or going after a dozen okish guys to fill up cards they went for Mark Hunt.

Its a mistake in MMA to think that depth of talent pool = better guys at the top, in other sports that might often be true but MMA is about picking out the best talent from other sports. The reality is those dozen okish guys most likely none of them ever became as good as Hunt.
 
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