lol, generally speaking, I understand that top class boxing (a skill, more or less never seen in the sport of MMA near primed), needs to be accompanied with at least decent takedown defesnse to be considered a skill that will make one at least close to elite. I'm a fan of both sports, I'm not some **** who only flies his flag on one side yet decides to speak on both sports. James Toney was last competent (and, he was only competent because of his great boxing mind and skills well past when he should have been considering his terrible physical condition) in earnest in the HW division about 3 years prior in boxing. In a sport where his lifelong skills of cunning, reaction of general skill were only half useful and the rest of his physical skills (which had been at the most pathetic level imaginable for a pro athlete since around the time he beat Ruiz, or probably Jirov, if we're being realistic), he was a tad out of his depth. James Toney when he had his shit halfway together, in the right circumstances, was a beautiful fighter (and incredibly gritty, as well). That shit happened before the year 2005 struck, though.