No Limit Hold 'Em Poker Discussion

[Aurelian]

Guy is definitely more the gambling type than your studious GTO rock, that's for sure.

I wouldn't say he's a terrible player but not particularly great either. Actually the kind I find it easier to play against, usually. Far too loose and not one to make tough lay downs, which makes the way he played this hand more confusing.

Do you think he saw AA and married it immediately? That shit happens super often with players who aren't very good.

 

[LEWIS540]

Do you think he saw AA and married it immediately? That shit happens super often with players who aren't very good.

I highly doubt it. He's more an omaha regular than a holdem player. I'm 95% sure he knew he was bluffing.

Really no idea what he was thinking. Maybe he read my non-pot bets as weakness, maybe he just had a brain fart. No idea.

Bet sizing in PLO is something I could probably work on. The instinct is always just to pot, especially river, but I try to mix in the 40-80% too.

For example in this hand, I'm targeting specifically straights, so no idea what size I should be using. Ironically, if I'd gone 80% or pot I'm almost certainly taking it down.

 

[Aurelian]

I highly doubt it. He's more an omaha regular than a holdem player. I'm 95% sure he knew he was bluffing.

Really no idea what he was thinking. Maybe he read my non-pot bets as weakness, maybe he just had a brain fart. No idea.

Bet sizing in PLO is something I could probably work on. The instinct is always just to pot, especially river, but I try to mix in the 40-80% too.

For example in this hand, I'm targeting specifically straights, so no idea what size I should be using. Ironically, if I'd gone 80% or pot I'm almost certainly taking it down.

Looking at the hand again you didn't play it bad at all but you ran into a horrible river card that forced a very tough decision. Flop bet isn't bad, 280 looks low on the turn and I don't know what the last guy had but you were at 97% against the AAJT and 89% if 3rd player has an 876 in their hand or just 86. So yeah try to get money in the pot.

What happened on the J76 hand where you flopped top set?

 

[LEWIS540]

Looking at the hand again you didn't play it bad at all but you ran into a horrible river card that forced a very tough decision. Flop bet isn't bad, 280 looks low on the turn and I don't know what the last guy had but you were at 97% against the AAJT and 89% if 3rd player has an 86 in their hand. So yeah try to get money in the pot.

What happened on the J76 hand where you flopped top set?

Yeah, tbh, turn card was so good for me I went for milking bet, when should have just gone big. Not saying slow playing is never right in PLO, but can put yourself in tough spots.....like I did here. Obviously the 8 isn't a great river, but in hindsight I made the only play which would lead me to losing the pot.

Guy made a straight on the J67........can't remember exactly what he had, something like 8 9 10 10, with straight flush draw. I check raised his flop bet, and money went in.

Kick in the balls to lose it, but think it was just fairly standard, especially with how big and loose the game was playing.

....and that's how you lose 2000 big blinds in 2 hands!

 

[Aurelian]

Yeah, tbh, turn card was so good for me I went for milking bet, when should have just gone big. Not saying slow playing is never right in PLO, but can put yourself in tough spots.....like I did here. Obviously the 8 isn't a great river, but in hindsight I made the only play which would lead me to losing the pot.

Guy made a straight on the J67........can't remember exactly what he had, something like 8 9 10 10, with straight flush draw. I check raised his flop bet, and money went in.

Kick in the balls to lose it, but think it was just fairly standard, especially with how big and loose the game was playing.

....and that's how you lose 2000 big blinds in 2 hands!

Yeah definitely standard. When you c/r there you're really hoping your opponent only has one draw instead of that super combo. You're still a 51-52% favorite to win, but it's effectively a flip. 75% against an A high flush draw and 64% against 89TT no flush draw.

 

[LEWIS540]

Yeah definitely standard. When you c/r there you're really hoping your opponent only has one draw instead of that super combo. You're still a 51-52% favorite to win, but it's effectively a flip. 75% against an A high flush draw and 64% against 89TT no flush draw.

Yeah, you basically know it's going to be a sweat 95% of the time......though in this game, not impossible someones got a weak lower set, too, where he could be on a 1-outer. (Even J 7 6).

Actually find even the maniacs tend to just call with their big draws, and push their sets more, as a rule.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Yeah I have to imagine anyone who sits down with $3000 and is committing roughly 50 bigs pre they don't have some random bullshit hand. Let's say 4568 all spades and 9TJQ ds are both equity favorites over AK77ds. The 4568 not by much but the 9TJQ ds is 44%. I wasn't there though so I don't know how the game particularly plays.

Surprised at 4568 all spades being a favorite.

I would say in this case it was 20bb preflop, which isn’t a big amount for these types of live games. Also some players can be pretty reckless which I’m sure you’ve been witness to. The main value for this hand would be the flush draws but yeah the lack of connectivity hurts for sure.

I agree with avoiding set mining these middle pair type of hands tho. Reverse implied odds is a definite liability.

Obviously don’t want to play for stacks with a king high flush but it does have some value.

 

[LEWIS540]

Lost 4K pot at 2/2/5 holdem

8h9h < AhJh on 5c 6h 7h flop.

Think same guy has sucked out on me for about 20k in the last month.

FML.

 

[LEWIS540]

1/3 holdem

Bought in for 400, grinded really well for 4 hours to 1200, then:

5h5d on the button. UTG (massive stack) made it 8. I put in a loose raise to 24. He 4 bets to 90. Putting him on a likely AA or KK I decide to set mine, call.

Flop 5 3 3 rainbow. Bingo. He leads out for 100. Still putting him on a monster, I decide to raise to 320, representing something like JJ, expecting him to push or fold. Surprisingly he just calls.

Turn 10. Total blank. He puts in the single 500 chip. With only 300 extra behind, no point slow playing any more, I go all. He snaps. I'm thinking you overplayed your AA there son, when he turns over the 10 10.


Guy is pretty decent payer, but......................So glad I only play for "fun" these days.

 

[Streeter]

Got screwed out of a bad beat.


Had KS Qs

Flip AAK

I check he checks

Turn is K I bet 25 trying to trap he just calls

River K

I go all in with Qauds - he flips AA qauds over Qauds but ........ both cards have to play. . Gut punched

 

[Aurelian]

Played a tournament online a few days ago. It had about 200 people and I get down to Final 2 players where I have the chip lead and my opponent is an absolute can. No clue how they even made it that far. Then my internet went out. Free win for my opponent. That's my bad beat story of the day.

 

[LEWIS540]

Got screwed out of a bad beat.


Had KS Qs

Flip AAK

I check he checks

Turn is K I bet 25 trying to trap he just calls

River K

I go all in with Qauds - he flips AA qauds over Qauds but ........ both cards have to play. . Gut punched

I mean that's bad luck luck, but hard to say you got screwed out of a bad beat.

Remember way back when, I lost with a flopped quad 10s on a site which changed the min hand on the bb to quad Js a week before.

 

[LEWIS540]

Played a tournament online a few days ago. It had about 200 people and I get down to Final 2 players where I have the chip lead and my opponent is an absolute can. No clue how they even made it that far. Then my internet went out. Free win for my opponent. That's my bad beat story of the day.

Remember taking a shot at 25/50 in my early days. Had the nut top set on the turn playing omaha and was practically all in, whilst the guy was in his time back.........potential 20k+ pot, and my internet cut out.

Took about 30 agonising minutes to reconnect when to the surprise of no one my account was decimated. Spoke to the guy later......turns out he pushed all in on the turn, for barely anymore, with a low set, and I timed out......this was before the days of disconnect protection.

 

[Aurelian]

Remember taking a shot at 25/50 in my early days. Had the nut top set on the turn playing omaha and was practically all in, whilst the guy was in his time back.........potential 20k+ pot, and my internet cut out.

Took about 30 agonising minutes to reconnect when to the surprise of no one my account was decimated. Spoke to the guy later......turns out he pushed all in on the turn, for barely anymore, with a low set, and I timed out......this was before the days of disconnect protection.

Being disconnected in a big hand and you have something like the nuts is like the worst fucking thing ever. It's hard to put in words how angry I can get. My internet cuts out randomly 3-4 times a day so I'm always on edge when I'm playing but what can you do?

 

[LEWIS540]

Playing pretty big. 25/50.

Bought in for 10k.

Play pretty fucking well. After 2 hours up to 29k.

Get a guy all in on A 9 5 with 99 vs A5. Lose. Down to 20k. Ok. It happens.
—-
Soon after play 16k pot. Get AK in vs J10 on A K 5. Lose to a flush. Variance I guess.
——
Then, wake up with 10 10 on button. Both black. UtG raises. I 3 bet. They call.

Q 8 2. They check. I bet 70%. They raise to like 3k. I call with 14k back.

7 badugi. They check. I bet 4.5k. They call.

10. Bingo. They bet small. 3k. I push. They beat me to the pot. Fuck, he had QQ all along. Fair enough.

9 J off. Ha, what are you doing. Give me the 38k. Wait, what? What?

30 years of poker never felt so raped.

Legit should be up 50k, but walking home.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Anybody watching the Main Event? Grinder in 2nd place going into the final table. Pretty wild, he was down to just a few BB at a point.

 

[Aurelian]

Anybody watching the Main Event? Grinder in 2nd place going into the final table. Pretty wild, he was down to just a few BB at a point.

Looking at that now. Damn he had less than 2 million and now at 93 million. Looking at the chip counts that table is pretty much wide open. It's anyone's tourney, even the guy with 23 million.

Looking at places finished Will Kassouf made it to 33, and Isaac Haxton finished in 99.

 

[Aurelian]

Playing pretty big. 25/50.

Bought in for 10k.

Play pretty fucking well. After 2 hours up to 29k.

Get a guy all in on A 9 5 with 99 vs A5. Lose. Down to 20k. Ok. It happens.
—-
Soon after play 16k pot. Get AK in vs J10 on A K 5. Lose to a flush. Variance I guess.
——
Then, wake up with 10 10 on button. Both black. UtG raises. I 3 bet. They call.

Q 8 2. They check. I bet 70%. They raise to like 3k. I call with 14k back.

7 badugi. They check. I bet 4.5k. They call.

10. Bingo. They bet small. 3k. I push. They beat me to the pot. Fuck, he had QQ all along. Fair enough.

9 J off. Ha, what are you doing. Give me the 38k. Wait, what? What?

30 years of poker never felt so raped.

Legit should be up 50k, but walking home.

Just reading this makes ME fucking sick.

 

[LEWIS540]

Just reading this makes ME fucking sick.

Yeah. Never bothered by bad beats or coolers etc. It's when some guy, with too much money, plays it like shit and the cars fuck you over....they are the ones that really grind.

It's poker, as they say.

 

[LEWIS540]

Looking at that now. Damn he had less than 2 million and now at 93 million. Looking at the chip counts that table is pretty much wide open. It's anyone's tourney, even the guy with 23 million.

Looking at places finished Will Kassouf made it to 33, and Isaac Haxton finished in 99.

......always find the main event just about the least interesting event to follow, tbh. I see a couple of big potential stories are eerging this year with Mizrachi and the lady.

Pretty surprising to hear she's the first female to reach the final table of the main for 30 years.