Economy Newsom may exclude Tesla from tax credits

[Islam Imamate]

I watched a video on Chinese EV’s and one of the suggestions was to allow Chinese companies to sell cars here, but to play by China’s rules. So, they would have to do joint ventures and do technology transfers with American companies, manufacture here, and basically just use them and toss em out.

It’s amazing because it’s so obvious but it is so against the American way that I never considered it, and never heard anybody else consider it. It’s either protectionism or let them dump highly subsidized stuff at the expense of American workers and companies.

Personally I’m not too worried about the arguments against protectionism because we actually have a ton of competition and variety. Tariffs on Chinese EV’s don’t stop me from buying a Honda or Toyota.

The issue is that populists like Trump want tariffs across the board and not just in these narrow circumstances where there's a genuine concern about national security or unfairness relating to subsidies. People will ignore that and try to come up with reasonable justifications for his tariffs when the man himself is pretty open about how he thinks blanket tariffs are the silver bullet solution to our policy problems.

Not really. Rich men have always had a large say in politics, what Soros is accused of and actually did (besides the anti-Semitic conspiracies) is trying to socially engineer societies to his vision of the world through all kinds of NGO’s.

He's accused of being a shadowy figure who controls politics and culture behind the scenes like a puppet master by low IQ populists. That he funds NGOs that pushed his values nowhere near justifies the irrational hatred he receives even when you set aside the explicitly anti-Semitic CTs about him.

Elon basically got the guy he wanted elected by buying a media outlet, and his goals for social engineering if he had any, was to conserve fundamental American values, not change them. These are different goals and strategies.

Saying that Elon and Soros are the same just means that every rich guy that is politically active is George Soros.

Supporting Trump does not suggest he wants to conserve American values, quite the opposite and Trumpers will even say as much given their deep disdain for America's institutions.

In other words, he’s nothing like George Soros. The point of my post isn’t that he’s a good guy, just that it’s a bad comparison.

You're right that its a bad comparison but that's because Soros has done nothing wrong.

 

[Yehudim]

The issue is that populists like Trump want tariffs across the board and not just in these narrow circumstances where there's a genuine concern about national security or unfairness relating to subsidies. People will ignore that and try to come up with reasonable justifications for his tariffs when the man himself is pretty open about how he thinks blanket tariffs are the silver bullet solution to our policy problems.

He's accused of being a shadowy figure who controls politics and culture behind the scenes like a puppet master by low IQ populists. That he funds NGOs that pushed his values nowhere near justifies the irrational hatred he receives even when you set aside the explicitly anti-Semitic CTs about him.

Supporting Trump does not suggest he wants to conserve American values, quite the opposite and Trumpers will even say as much given their deep disdain for America's institutions.

You're right that its a bad comparison but that's because Soros has done nothing wrong.

1) re: tariffs. That is what he is saying now, but in his 1st term he did targeted sanctions that everybody seemed to agree with
2) re: Soros doing nothing wrong: Have sex.

 

[Islam Imamate]

1) re: tariffs. That is what he is saying now, but in his 1st term he did targeted sanctions that everybody seemed to agree with

In his first term he was more restrained by the party and the bureaucracy which he less so now. Its possible we get a similar outcome but that would likely be despite Trump rather than because of his astute foreign policy and economic understanding.

As far as the Trump tariffs part of the reason they were allowed to stand is because they result in retaliatory tariffs which require a round of negotiations to get rid of. But his China tariffs probably weren't that helpful.

2) re: Soros doing nothing wrong: Have sex.

I just did with your mom and she was telling me how based Soros is. Don't let your feelings about your mother cloud your judgement about Soros.

 

[Dalarna3]

How do you explain the Sedition Act of 1798? The founders were every bit as flawed as today's politicians, if not more so.

Again with the whatsboutism, but that’s for admitting that what Newsom is doing is wrong.

 

[avenue94]

Again with the whatsboutism, but that’s for admitting that what Newsom is doing is wrong.

I'm not the one who's arguing that the Founders never used the government for improper ends. I've also been consistent in my stance on punishing speech.

 

[curryjunkie]

You are supposed to help the people you were elected to serve, not use your power to settle petty vendettas. Anyone who cheerleads that kind of carry on is a moron.

Bookmarked for future hypocrisy...

 

[chardog]

Scotty noticed it:

What am I supposed to get from this video other than that GM and Ford are complete trash compared to Tesla‘s? And that on equal footing without rebates, Tesla would destroy them.

 

[chardog]

Newsom would be doing everyone a favor.

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The cybertruck us the most amazing vehicle I have ever used. Jerryrigeverything is just mad at sponsors drying up, the grift aint good for his business

 

[Helden]

Hopefully more Dems stop giving a fuck about bipartisanship and go a bit nutty

 

[chardog]

Does Tesla enjoy a special status within California?

No, it’s simply a far superior vehicle compared to other EV’s. You can’t even negotiate price with Tesla.

 

[Yehudim]

In his first term he was more restrained by the party and the bureaucracy which he less so now. Its possible we get a similar outcome but that would likely be despite Trump rather than because of his astute foreign policy and economic understanding.

As far as the Trump tariffs part of the reason they were allowed to stand is because they result in retaliatory tariffs which require a round of negotiations to get rid of. But his China tariffs probably weren't that helpful.

I just did with your mom and she was telling me how based Soros is. Don't let your feelings about your mother cloud your judgement about Soros.

Rude.

 

[Andy Capp]

Their stock has been overpriced for years. But i never insinuated that the company is on the verge of collapse. You just associated my point with the worst as a defense mechanism.

What has Tesla done in 2024 that justifies its 40% stock increase?

Particularly when demand for EV's is slowing.

 

[cincymma79]

No, it’s simply a far superior vehicle compared to other EV’s. You can’t even negotiate price with Tesla.

So not a good comparison between Tesla and Disney