Social New study on CA's red flag law: law may have prevented murders

[JamesRussler]

You can prevent almost all crime by outlawing all speech and personal liberties and substituting them with a streamlined government program.

 

[Ophydian]

I was with you until this, care to elaborate?

Ok here’s my point, anti-abortion proponents want to take away the right of the mother to protect a fetus. That same stance it’s a slippery slope as 2A proponents that don’t want their rights taken away to save lives.

We can go further and say the number of abortions is so small that it’s not many women who’s rights are being violated the same as the number of individuals who’s rights will be violated by red flag laws. The only difference is that the mother won’t get the chance to appeal her ruling.

 

[oldshadow]

If you support “red flag laws” then you should have no problem with stop and frisk laws. They will certainly prevent gun violence. Stop and frisk has proven to reduce crime.

 

[HockeyBjj]

There's definitely a lot of potential for abuse, and any red flag laws need to have a system where someome can immediately (honestly, day of go to court would be ideal. With backlog, it needs to be inside 2 weeks at a maximum) appeal the seizure at no cost to themselves and be granted a lawyer

But, of all the garbage gun control bills floating around, these types are the only ones I belive may actually prevent innocent lives from being lost

A false claim should result in mandatory prison sentence. A good deterance would go a long way for preventing spiteful family member abuse.

 

[Ophydian]

NRA did not exist before people’s expressed desire for tjen2nd amendment.
The only reason the NRA came into existence is because the AMERICAN PEOPLE have always enjoyed the rights given to them in the 2nd amendment.

It’s a red herring used by leftist media. We can’t do ‘X’ because of the NRA. Not true. Leftist can’t get their gun control because of the American people and their support for the 2nd amendment, not because of the NRA.

The NRA can act on its own self interest, not that of its members at times because they can use the threat that the NRA is the only thing stopping socialists from taking their guns. So while a large majority of the population wants enhanced background checks which a number of these people are NRA members, the NRA will kill any legislation that could possibly reduce the number of gun sales.

 

[VivaRevolution]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5654815/california-red-flag-law-mass-shootings-study/?amp=true



The term "common sense gun control" gets thrown around loosely. Red flag laws like California's clearly seem to fit the bill.

I am torn on red flag laws. I weigh the scales of the potential life saving value, vs the need for due process, and having a right to it before legal action is taken, and the scales seem in balance giving neither argument a clear winner.

What kind of pushes me to the side of the red flag laws, is that you can already be committed to mental care without due process.

 

[all caps]

NRA did not exist before people’s expressed desire for tjen2nd amendment.
The only reason the NRA came into existence is because the AMERICAN PEOPLE have always enjoyed the rights given to them in the 2nd amendment.

It’s a red herring used by leftist media. We can’t do ‘X’ because of the NRA. Not true. Leftist can’t get their gun control because of the American people and their support for the 2nd amendment, not because of the NRA.

Negotiate
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Away

 

[Ophydian]

There's definitely a lot of potential for abuse, and any red flag laws need to have a system where someome can immediately (honestly, day of go to court would be ideal. With backlog, it needs to be inside 2 weeks at a maximum) appeal the seizure at no cost to themselves and be granted a lawyer

But, of all the garbage gun control bills floating around, these types are the only ones I belive may actually prevent innocent lives from being lost

A false claim should result in mandatory prison sentence. A good deterance would go a long way for preventing spiteful family member abuse.

I think you’d have to define better a false claim as a mistake here or there will stop people from acting.

 

[Ophydian]

i never knew my good bud @Ophydian was a racist

I’m the worst kind. I hate everyone equally.

 

[HockeyBjj]

I think you’d have to define better a false claim as a mistake here or there will stop people from acting.

Yes. Blatant made up fabrication. Like a completely fabricated false rape claim when the guy wasn't even at the bar the incident happened in.

Not a situation that was grey on consent (or in this case threat) and thus the person accused is innocent but its not a false statement worthy of counter sentencing.

If a person has some vaguely but not blatant threatening social media posts and a person is worried enough to report it, well then hopefully a sworn judge makes the correct decision preserving both the accused's rights and the alleged's target safety.

 

[G-19]

If you support “red flag laws” then you should have no problem with stop and frisk laws. They will certainly prevent gun violence. Stop and frisk has proven to reduce crime.

This is an undeniable fact.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

If you support “red flag laws” then you should have no problem with stop and frisk laws. They will certainly prevent gun violence. Stop and frisk has proven to reduce crime.

The people targeted by a red flag law have expressed a desire to murder people. That's a bit different than a cop shaking down someone walking on the street, who, as far as the cop knows, could be a pacifist.

 

[Happy Man]

The people targeted by a red flag law have expressed a desire to murder people. That's a bit different than a cop shaking down someone walking on the street, who, as far as the cop knows, could be a pacifist.

SAYS WHO?!!!
A neighbor with a grudge? This is an action right out of stalins soviet system. It annihilates due process. Gets people used to the new normal the elites have in store.

Red flag laws are anti-American.

 

[all caps]

The only reason the NRA came into existence is because the AMERICAN PEOPLE have always enjoyed the rights given to them in the 2nd amendment

I wanted to say, the 2nd amendment does not give us any rights. The 2nd amendment helps protect us from having a god given right that we are born with, from being taken away.

 

[My Spot]

 

[JimmyFresno]

Does this involve an Inquisition? Do I get a chance to float or drown first, before accusations of witchcraft?

Someone pissed off at their tv, loudly wishing death upon their perceived enemies in a stupor, someone else with a cat lady super thunder cunt black widow neighbor who doesn't like her neighbor's skin color so a story is fabricated, is not the same as someone making immediate public threats.

People are their own worst enemy.

 

[My Spot]

SAYS WHO?!!!
A neighbor with a grudge? This is an action right out of stalins soviet system. It annihilates due process. Gets people used to the new normal the elites have in store.

Red flag laws are anti-American.

Remember, he wants ALL guns banned.

 

[Cyrano200]

Ok here’s my point, anti-abortion proponents want to take away the right of the mother to protect a fetus. That same stance it’s a slippery slope as 2A proponents that don’t want their rights taken away to save lives.

We can go further and say the number of abortions is so small that it’s not many women who’s rights are being violated the same as the number of individuals who’s rights will be violated by red flag laws. The only difference is that the mother won’t get the chance to appeal her ruling.

So pro-abortion is about protecting a fetus?
And to clarify 2nd amendment proponents are primarily concerned with protecting all rights. Throw in fetuses, families, and their own lives. The number of gun owners who commit crime is so small that it doesn't make sense to violate everyone else's rights with red flag laws.

 

[jamel]

The left loves this KGB shit.

Turn on your neighbors. The Stalinist fear.

Hey that guy made a comment that he may be a conservative! Let’s contact the authorities and say he may be armed and wanting to harm someone.

Leftist authoritarianism will be defeated

I hope this is the same energy you had when you saw Pool Patrol Paula, BBQ Becky, Permit Patty, KOA Karen, and Officer Combat Roll were attempting to spread their special brand of Authoritarianism.

 

[jamel]

I personally think alot of you have a problem with it because, of decisions your parents may have made with your behavioral meds.

Pretty sure a good bit of yall took a liking to doing stupid shit in the mid to late 90's when Teenage Angst was popping, which can likely result in a red flag today.

Lithium and Prozac were the drugs of choice a scary number of white kids were abusing when I was in school, could it be yall think that shit is gonna come back to bite yall?