Law Kamala Harris announces new office to implement ‘red flag’ gun control laws

[KOPPE]

Mentally ill people shouldn't have access to firearms

the right wingers are not gonna like this

 

[jk7707]

the right wingers are not gonna like this

No surprise. Just look at the response from MTG and all the other far right wackjobs already.

The irony is that one of their go to lines regarding gun control is...

"We don't need any new laws or regulations. Just enforce the ones that already exist.".

That's literally the whole point of this project. Give states resources and assistance to enforce the red flag laws that already exist.

It's already well established that they're liars and hypocrites, but calling something like this "evil" makes it clear as day that they will oppose any idea to prevent gun deaths in this country unless it includes arming MORE people and lining the pockets of the gun lobbyists they're beholden to.

 

[Yehudim]

Maybe enforce the border ? And then destroy our freedoms?

Noooooo my wife’s boyfriends schizophrenic son needs his hecking gunerinos

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Red flag laws only target legal gun owners. As usual the lefties pretending gang violence doesn't exist.

 

[KOPPE]

No surprise. Just look at the response from MTG and all the other far right wackjobs already.

The irony is that one of their go to lines regarding gun control is...

"We don't need any new laws or regulations. Just enforce the ones that already exist.".

That's literally the whole point of this project. Give states resources and assistance to enforce the red flag laws that already exist.

It's already well established that they're liars and hypocrites, but calling something like this "evil" makes it clear as day that they will oppose any idea to prevent gun deaths in this country unless it includes arming MORE people and lining the pockets of the gun lobbyists they're beholden to.

I know it might sounds crazy, but I think one of the reason why conservatives are against gun control is because they wants to feel like they would fit in with all of the characters from Top Gun. This is because, despite the fact that many of them are poor by American standards, Americans are generally very comfortable and can afford to worry about things like wether or not they can have a gun that makes them feel cool. Guys that love guns are the same guys that love war movies, big trucks, hot blondes, and rural, free living. This “dude” is pushed so hard by American culture that it’s become an identity to many right wingers. Gun control is a proposal that would diminish their capability to fulfill that identity. Many conservatives won’t admit this outright, but guns are a big part of their personality.

 

[jk7707]

Red flag laws only target legal gun owners. As usual the lefties pretending gang violence doesn't exist.

So you're cool with mentally ill people having access to guns. Got it.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

So you're cool with mentally ill people having access to guns. Got it.

I think gang violence should be a higher priority. It causes way more deaths.

I'm just being practical.

 

[PhitePhan]

Seems like a solid undertaking. Mentally ill people shouldn't have access to firearms. And red flag laws don't do much good in accomplishing that if they aren't enforced.

Mentally ill people are more likely to be victimized than normies… taking away their right to defend themselves might not be in their best interest.

Do you have any evidence that the majority (or even a substantial minority) of gun violence is committed by the mentally ill?

 

[jk7707]

I think gang violence should be a higher priority. It causes way more deaths.

I'm just being practical.

Good news!


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...o-fight-crime-and-make-our-communities-safer/

It's almost like the government can do more than one thing at a time.

So you're good with support for enforcing these laws that are already on the books?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Good news!


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...o-fight-crime-and-make-our-communities-safer/

It's almost like the government can do more than one thing at a time.

So you're good with support for enforcing these laws that are already on the books?

Did you actually read that? Biden Admin is taking credit for crime returning to previous levels after spiking during the first two years of his presidency lol

 

[nhbbear]

Dissagree. For any guy that owns guns and is going through a divorce; if they have any history of violence or spousal abuse their guns should be taken and held during the process.

Had a family membered murdered under these circumstances, dude shot her in the back three times.

Any account or arrest for domestic abuse, verbal or physical, leads to automatic removal of guns on a temporary basis. Conviction leads to permanent removal.

 

[BearGrounds]

Maybe enforce the border ? And then destroy our freedoms?

Does it involve handing out guns to illegals?

Anyone paying attention realizes by now, that they want those fighting aged men inside our walls.

Sleeper cells abound. Beware, for there are traitors in our midst.

 

[BearGrounds]

So you're cool with mentally ill people having access to guns. Got it.

The problem is going to arise, when what constitutes "mentally ill" is suddenly categorized in nebulous ways or for simple dissent (such as being a CTer).

It's impossible to have faith in a system that regards transgender as being mentally stable, in determining what is and isn't mentally ill.

The state can no longer be trusted to accurately frame the concept, thus giving them more power through it, to seize your right to defend yourself, is folly, and ought to be approached with cautious suspicion.

 

[HomeCheese]

A guy with domestic violence charges already can't have a gun legally

You disagree with due process or what ? You think Divorce should suspend someone's rights? If someone says something about someone that's enough evidence for you

If the judge say remove them then poof, taken.

I know a judge and when a woman files for divorce and the guy has any history of violence he automatically orders the guns turned in which is very reasonable.

I have seen folks bitch about this here which is why I posted this.

 

[oldshadow]

Dissagree. For any guy that owns guns and is going through a divorce; if they have any history of violence or spousal abuse their guns should be taken and held during the process.

Had a family membered murdered under these circumstances, dude shot her in the back three times.

Then if this is the case they can get a judge to issue an order.

 

[djacobox372]

Any account or arrest for domestic abuse, verbal or physical, leads to automatic removal of guns on a temporary basis. Conviction leads to permanent removal.

So you can lose your constitutional rights for accusations of harsh language? Clown world.

 

[jk7707]

Did you actually read that? Biden Admin is taking credit for crime returning to previous levels after spiking during the first two years of his presidency lol

Did you?

"Communities have leveraged funding from President Biden’s American Rescue Plan to reduce crime:

Detroit invested more than $100 million for public safety, including to pay bonuses that enabled the city to hire 200 new police officers, advance community violence intervention, and expand teams of police and mental health professionals who can respond to people in crisis. In 2023, Detroit had its fewest homicides since 1966, with an 18% decline from 2022.

Milwaukee invested over $40 million to pay new officers engaging in community policing, fund gun crime investigations, and increase the number of dispatchers to handle 911 calls. The city improved city street lighting, supported community violence intervention efforts, and expanded summer programs for at-risk youth. The city and county of Milwaukee also partnered with the state of Wisconsin to invest $28 million more on anti-violence efforts, including to reduce dramatically the court backlog of violent crime cases. In 2023, homicides in Milwaukee dropped 20%.

Philadelphia invested millions in group-violence intervention and community crisis intervention programs. It also partnered with the state of Pennsylvania to devote $45 million more to upgrade the city’s crime lab, reduce gun violence, and investigate and prosecute violent gun crimes, as well as further support violence intervention and prevention. In 2023, Philadelphia experienced significant crime declines, including a 20% drop in homicides and a 28% decline in nonfatal shootings.

Chicago invested $100 million for public safety, including $16 million for community violence intervention focused on those at the highest risk of violence, $15 million to support alternative responders for 911 calls involving health crises, $30 million for youth intervention and diversion programs, and $10 million to support victims of crime. In addition to these targeted investments to reduce violence, Chicago is making additional significant investments to expand opportunity for young people – including hiring nearly 25,000 young people over the summer and investing $53 million for youth employment programs. Chicago also received $6.25 million in grants from the Department of Justice to hire or retain 50 additional officers. Chicago saw a 13% drop in homicides in 2023, and nonfatal shootings declined 17%."

So now that your bullshit "we need to do something about gang violence first" excuse is ruined...You support keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, right?

 

[I Am Legion]

the right wingers are not gonna like this

I lean right and am totally fine with that. I am also ok with violent offenders with records not having them either.....on that note however, Harris and the Biden Admin don't seem to mind letting violent offenders in our country right now. Between Tren De Aragua and MS-13 coming through in large numbers, that is where our focus should be. And if we didn't let liberal DA's who are soft on gun crime like Bragg, we may have less gun violence in the inner cities where most gun violence occurs.

 

[jk7707]

The problem is going to arise, when what constitutes "mentally ill" is suddenly categorized in nebulous ways or for simple dissent (such as being a CTer).

It's impossible to have faith in a system that regards transgender as being mentally stable, in determining what is and isn't mentally ill.

The state can no longer be trusted to accurately frame the concept, thus giving them more power through it, to seize your right to defend yourself, is folly, and ought to be approached with cautious suspicion.

The red flag laws on the books have been created by individual states, not the federal government. And no, "being a CTer" as you put it, isn't getting your guns taken away. Let's look at the law in Vermont for example...

(2)(A) An extreme risk of harm to others may be shown by establishing that:

(i) the respondent has inflicted or attempted to inflict bodily harm on another; or

(ii) by his or her threats or actions the respondent has placed others in reasonable fear of physical harm to themselves; or

(iii) by his or her actions or inactions the respondent has presented a danger to persons in his or her care.

(B) An extreme risk of harm to himself or herself may be shown by establishing that the respondent has threatened or attempted suicide or serious bodily harm.


Evidence has to be presented and a judge has to sign off on the order. I think, cautious suspicion is fine. Calling this "evil" is going well beyond that.

 

[KOPPE]

arris and the Biden Admin don't seem to mind letting violent offenders in our country right now

Donald Trump and his GOP mafia are PURPOSELY standing in the way of border security.