International Netanyahu nominates Trump for Nobel Peace Prize

Brilliant move by Bibi

" let's see how do we make sure we don't get Zelensky'd when we meet trump at the white house "
 
The numbers are from the latest year of available data, 2024, from multiple reputable third party sources (UN, Eurostat). The number you are referencing (the 6% population drop) is from the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (a biased source).

Again, they haven't done so. Their population as per unbiased sources have only increased.

Israel started their campaign in 2023 after October 7th. I don't see why the 2024 population numbers wouldn't reflect a decrease in population if that were the case.

It's not a part of genocide unless it's done with the intent to destroy the population. You've again failed to understand the very definition of genocide you've quoted.

You didn't, you incorrectly said that he was performing a genocide of Palestinians while at this very moment he is forcing Israel to negotiate with Hamas. You either made a mistake or lied about it, and then used that a pretense to ignore every other war he's actually helped stop. That's superhero movie thinking that has plagued most political discussion these days, where everyone has to be either good or evil. But in this case there isn't even really evil because Trump is the one brokering peace between Israel and Gaza in the first place.

At this point believing that trump will do anything except what Netanyahu tells him to do is wishful thinking.
 
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At this point believing that trump will do anything except what Netanyahu tells him do is wishful thinking.
He's already done a few things that went against Netanyahu, like lifting sanctions on Syria and making Israel come to the negotiation table with Hamas.
 
The numbers are from the latest year of available data, 2024, from multiple reputable third party sources (UN, Eurostat).

Based on projection data collected BEFORE October 7th and BEFORE Gaza was flattened, like I said.
Those projections were based on THIS DATA:

For Immediate Release: Tuesday, August 08, 2023

Census Bureau Releases International Population Estimates and Projections​



If you truly think a population of people, where hundreds are being slaughtered daily, where people are starving, where literally every single hospital in the region is destroyed, is actually increasing, you are clearly retarded and not worthy of debating.

It's not a part of genocide unless it's done with the intent to destroy the population. You've again failed to understand the very definition of genocide you've quoted.

Have you been living in a cave and ignoring all of the INTENTIONAL genocidal rhetoric being spoken by Israeli officials?
 
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He's already done a few things that went against Netanyahu, like lifting sanctions on Syria and making Israel come to the negotiation table with Hamas.
Syria is tricky for trump because his other daddy likes Syria, as for Israel negotiating with hamas , well call me skeptical
 
Based on projection data collected BEFORE October 7th and BEFORE Gaza was flattened, like I said.
Those projections were based on THIS DATA:

For Immediate Release: Tuesday, August 08, 2023

Census Bureau Releases International Population Estimates and Projections​



If you truly think a population of people, where hundreds are being slaughtered daily, where people are starving, where literally every single hospital in the region is destroyed, is actually increasing, you are clearly retarded and not worthy of debating.



Have you been living in a cave and ignoring all of the INTENTIONAL genocidal rhetoric being spoken by Israeli officials?
Why did you include a source that I didn't even quote? I quoted a source that uses multiple UN and Eurostat data sources, not US census data.

It's not about what I think. It's about what official UN and Eurostat data says. And it's not like people only started calling it a genocide in 2025, it's been called a genocide for a long time by people who simply use it to portray what is going on in a certain light. Again, I think what is going on is horrible and I am glad that Trump is working towards a ceasefire, not sure why you chose to deride the one person who is trying to put an end to it. But calling it genocide when again, the official UN and Eurostat data say the population has all but increased into 2024 is simply ignorant and dismissive of the horrors of actual genocides.

Not to mention the fact that Israeli hostages are still being held after a mass slaughtering, which is a continuous act of war by the elected rulers of Gaza (Hamas).
 
Why did you include a source that I didn't even quote? I quoted a source that uses multiple UN and Eurostat data sources, not US census data.

It's not about what I think. It's about what official UN and Eurostat data says. And it's not like people only started calling it a genocide in 2025, it's been called a genocide for a long time by people who simply use it to portray what is going on in a certain light. Again, I think what is going on is horrible and I am glad that Trump is working towards a ceasefire, not sure why you chose to deride the one person who is trying to put an end to it. But calling it genocide when again, the official UN and Eurostat data say the population has all but increased into 2024 is simply ignorant and dismissive of the horrors of actual genocides.

Not to mention the fact that Israeli hostages are still being held after a mass slaughtering, which is a continuous act of war by the elected rulers of Gaza (Hamas).
It's the same for those. 2024 PROJECTIONS are based on 2023 data. None of those sources have collected data since the war started, they literally can't. Journalists aren't even allowed in Gaza. The ONLY recent assessment on population that was done you dismiss as "bias" that shows a 6% reduction in population, which is actually worse because it's that 6% reduction PLUS the reduction of what was PROJECTED.

Israeli hostages have been offered back time after time, Israel does not want them. They want to continue to use them as an excuse. They were set to get all of them back and BROKE the last ceasefire, with zero push back from Trump for doing so.
 
It's the same for those. 2024 PROJECTIONS are based on 2023 data. None of those sources have collected data since the war started, they literally can't. Journalists aren't even allowed in Gaza. The ONLY recent assessment on population that was done you dismiss as "bias" that shows a 6% reduction in population, which is actually worse because it's that 6% reduction PLUS the reduction of what was PROJECTED.

Israeli hostages have been offered back time after time, Israel does not want them. They want to continue to use them as an excuse. They were set to get all of them back and BROKE the last ceasefire, with zero push back from Trump for doing so.
I dismiss it as biased because it is a biased source. Their very homepage refers to casualties as "martyrs": https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/default.aspx rather than casualties, killings or deaths. Also it's a biased source because it's not an unbiased third party. Question for you: do you trust everything the Israeli government puts out? Or do you only afford that to one side?

Again, people have been calling it a genocide for decades now. I was curious if you called it a genocide before October 7th, and it seems you were calling it a genocide as well back in August of 2022, before the war broke out, again when there population was constantly increasing.
I was speaking more directly towards actions by the US military, but if you want to open up that can of worms sure. Selling weapons to Saudi's so that they can go commit genocide in Yemen, selling weapons to Israel so they can commit genocide against Palestinians. Can go on and on and on and on.......

Israel does want it's hostages, they've been negotiating the releases of them constantly and have gotten them as concessions from Hamas. Also if that logic were the case (it's obviously not), why wouldn't Hamas just let the hostages go to end Israel's justification of the war? Because Hamas are terrorists who sparked this war with their actions and continued holding of Israeli hostages. Israel cannot reward Hamas for this because guess what Hamas is going to do when they notice taking hostages gets them what they asked for: they will take more hostages.

And again, I don't know why you are so hung up on the word 'genocide', when I've already said they are committing crimes against humanity. I just prefer when the word genocide is used correctly rather than incorrectly to simply buoy a fragile argument.
 
Before that it was Nelson Mandela, who was a literal terrorist.
Americans that kicked the shit out of the British were technically terrorists. Don't throw shade on Mandela for fighting back against horrible oppression. In short, get fucked.
 
Americans that kicked the shit out of the British were technically terrorists. Don't throw shade on Mandela for fighting back against horrible oppression. In short, get fucked.
Having an outburst, as always. I guess its hard to control your impulses when people are so audacious as to say perhaps a Nobel prize winner was not the most deserving of candidates. If someone nominated the Boston tea party dudes for a Nobel prize that would be questionable too.
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Having an outburst, as always. I guess its hard to control your impulses when people are so audacious as to say perhaps a Nobel prize winner was not the most deserving of candidates. If someone nominated the Boston tea party dudes for a Nobel prize that would be questionable too.
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Outburst? Nah, just calling you out for throwing shade on Mandela as if he didn't have the right to fight oppression. I've heard that same argument from people before, and it always comes from the same types. Moving on. I made my point.
 
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