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Kareem was an obvious stud. His statistical dominance is his prime is very similar to Jokic. The game was very different though as the three point shot didn't really exist for much of Kareem's time, and the depth of talent was way weaker. There were no foreign players in the NBA at the time and it wasn't anything that resembled a global game. Now it's like 45% of centers in the league are foreign (it seems that's the position with most foreign players). It's of course very crude analysis, but it's basically saying 1/3 to 1/2 of centers Kareem went up against in his day wouldn't be good enough to be in that position in the global era.

I'm also somewhat critical of the sky hook shot since it's essentially gone extinct in the modern game, partially due to the floor spacing, but I suspect also the players are just bigger and more agile these days. It's kind of like "Big George Foreman" where for his time he was considered some huge monster, but reality is the dude was like 220 pounds and would be dwarfed by later fighters not known as "Big" like Lenox Lewis, Klitsckos etc. Kareem was built much more like Chet Holmgren.

Then the wildcard was the ABA / NBA split during some of Kareem's best years. So not only was the talent less deep globally, it was split across leagues domestically to a decent degree.

Anyhow, I don't really like these discussions because it's so much hair splitting and seems like someone is shitting on great players, but it's hard to do apple-to-apple comparisons going so far back.

The skyhook wasnt really heavily adopted by any players after Kareem, no notable centres from the 90s emulated it when it would have been a very effective shot in a packed paint era.

It comes down to trend, players just didn't feel like trying to master that shot.

The floor is way more spaced these days so there’s less necessity for the sky hook.

Although if a really tall player masters it, it’s unblockable.
 
The skyhook wasnt really heavily adopted by any players after Kareem, no notable centres from the 90s emulated it when it would have been a very effective shot in a packed paint era.

It comes down to trend, players just didn't feel like trying to master that shot.

The floor is way more spaced these days so there’s less necessity for the sky hook.

Although if a really tall player masters it, it’s unblockable.

Thing is with the amount of money thrown at basketball players and the age at which people begin playing, if it is a viable shot at a high enough efficiency and unblockable, some people WOULD have "mastered it" or at least made it viable for occasional use. I just can't accept that it was just a "trend" thing, or that it wasn't "cool" (especially because IMO it looks cool as fuck, it's not the same as a granny free throw shot or anything).



It may indeed be "unblockable", but I suspect it just isn't a high enough percentage shot, or that double teams are just quicker these days and can force turnovers, or more athletic and sizeable defenders while not being able to block it, are able to affect the vision or at least make it uncomfortable enough that it's not viable as a sufficiency efficient shot to take, especially past a certain distance where the three-pointer reward dwarfs it.

Maybe I'm off base, but I just don't see how other players wouldn't legit work on it if it was a credible option in today's game.
 
Kareem is great but he also lucked out by having the GOAT point guard fall to the Lakers when he was still 32 years old and averaging about 25 and 12. .

Prior to Magic, Kareem had only won 1 championship in 9 years in the league.


Not to mention when Kareem won with the Bucks he played with a guy that season that finished top 15 in MVP voting, was all-star and All-NBA, and is generally considered one of the top 20 or players ever.

Whereas Jokic's number two guy was Jamal Murray, and while I love him, he's a guy who average under 6 points per game without Jokic on his Olympic team.
 
Not to mention when Kareem won with the Bucks he played with a guy that season that finished top 15 in MVP voting, was all-star and All-NBA, and is generally considered one of the top 20 or players ever.

Whereas Jokic's number two guy was Jamal Murray, and while I love him, he's a guy who average under 6 points per game without Jokic on his Olympic team.

I like Jokic as a player, a lot, mainly due to the fact my boy Luka is best friends with him, but he is going to end up like Dirk, 1 ring. The difference is Dirk had one of the hardest runs in history, Jokic beat an 8th seed for his ring. I don't see how the Nuggets win another one with San Antonio, OKC, standing in their way. If he's going to do it then it better be this year.
 
I like Jokic as a player, a lot, mainly due to the fact my boy Luka is best friends with him, but he is going to end up like Dirk, 1 ring. The difference is Dirk had one of the hardest runs in history, Jokic beat an 8th seed for his ring. I don't see how the Nuggets win another one with San Antonio, OKC, standing in their way. If he's going to do it then it better be this year.

Once fat Serb comes to my lakes with fat slov they’ll get carried to multiple rings by Bronny imo.
 
I like Jokic as a player, a lot, mainly due to the fact my boy Luka is best friends with him, but he is going to end up like Dirk, 1 ring. The difference is Dirk had one of the hardest runs in history, Jokic beat an 8th seed for his ring. I don't see how the Nuggets win another one with San Antonio, OKC, standing in their way. If he's going to do it then it better be this year.

Pretty much as a rule canchises don't repeat or have anything remotely close to a dynasty in NBA. OKC has a great chance because they accumulated so many picks.... but already my brow is furrowed with this san antonio thing. But if you're not Lakes, Celts, GS, SA or Miami or have a league face on your team good luck. It's not like Dirk and the Mavs got fair treatment in their window either.
 
Once fat Serb comes to my lakes with fat slov they’ll get carried to multiple rings by Bronny imo.

Usage Merchant is gonna have to learn to play off ball for that to work.

I doubt Fat Serb will leave Denver, I don't think he could stomach the bright lights of LA and having to listen to shitty media and fans all the time.
 
Pretty much as a rule canchises don't repeat or have anything remotely close to a dynasty in NBA. OKC has a great chance because they accumulated so many picks.... but already my brow is furrowed with this san antonio thing. But if you're not Lakes, Celts, GS, SA or Miami or have a league face on your team good luck. It's not like Dirk and the Mavs got fair treatment in their window either.

Not to mention Dirk had to deal with a dynasty Slurs team for most of his career. Some of the playoff matchups between the Mavs/Spurs during that time period were crazy. And now my boy Coop is going to have to deal with another problematic Spurs team. When people think of NBA rivalries Dallas/San Antonio doesn't come to mind much but trust me, down here in Texas, its been a huge rivalry for decades.
 
I heard they call this shit a lavender marriage

I mean, we've seen this sort of thing before.

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Odd how 37 year old Brook Lopez, a plumber center that didn't make a single three-pointer in his first six seasons, has transitioned seamlessly into the GOAT Zero Defense Era and is now averaging 40% from 3.

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My NBA dudes, tell me, where is the best case landing spot for Trae Young I can hope for?
 
I think the Hawks are 1-8 now since he returned even though he's (for the most part) played well.
Doubt he's traded but if it did happen they'd probably send him to Dallas for AD. <lmao>
 
I think the Hawks are 1-8 now since he returned even though he's (for the most part) played well.
Doubt he's traded but if it did happen they'd probably send him to Dallas for AD. <lmao>

Dallas wouldn't be bad from his perspective. Kyrie, Flagg, PJ Washington, Naji Marshall, Max Christie, its not a bad situation for Trae.
 
I think the Hawks are 1-8 now since he returned even though he's (for the most part) played well.
Doubt he's traded but if it did happen they'd probably send him to Dallas for AD. <lmao>
Last thing I saw regarding AD and Atlanta was potentially mortgaging the future to put AD with Trae. But man, seems to me like Trae leaving has been written for 2 years at this point.
 
I’d really like to see him play with an athletic big. Him with the runner in the lane or easy lob if the defense collapses seems cheat code.
The problem is anyone who's going to trade for him will more than likely be trading their big.
 
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