International [NATO News] Putin: lifting Ukraine missile restrictions would "put NATO at war with Russia"

What does Turkey get in return?
Greater leverage on Sweden, they get to paint themselves not as obstructionists but a good-faith party with legitimate security concerns. Look we let Finland in!

I don’t know that to be a fact, but that’s what it looks like.
 
First off, fuck Orbán for the way he's handled the Russian invasion of Ukr.

At the same time, if you run a smear campaign against people don't be surprised if those same people fuck with you in retaliation. Bunch of toddlers.
When did Finland ever smear his reputation? The only time I’ve seen denunciation of Orban is from official EU channels expressing “concern” about his actions.
 
Hungary parliament backs Finland's NATO accession, Swedish bid pending
By Krisztina Than | March 27, 2023

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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Deputy Prime Minister Zsolt Semjen attend the voting of the ratification of Finland's NATO membership in Budapest, Hungary

BUDAPEST, March 27 (Reuters) - Hungary's parliament approved a bill on Monday to allow Finland to join NATO once its application has been ratified by all 30 members of the alliance, ending months of foot-dragging by the ruling Fidesz party on the matter.

Finland and Sweden asked to join the trans-Atlantic military alliance last year in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But the process has been held up by Turkey and Hungary.

Although Finland's bid has now been approved, the Swedish bill is still stranded in the Hungarian parliament.

The bill on Finland's NATO accession was passed with 182 in favour and six votes against, after Fidesz said last week it would back the motion.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said last week that Turkey's parliament would also start ratifying Finland's accession. But it also held off approving Sweden's bid.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has said he had urged Turkey and Hungary to ratify both applications.

A vote on Sweden's bid has not yet been scheduled in Budapest.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban's chief political aide said on Twitter on Sunday the government backed Sweden's NATO membership and "now it's up to the parliament to make a decision."

"Some MPs are concerned due to Swedish government officials making a habit of constantly questioning the state of Hungarian democracy, thereby insulting our voters, MPs & the country as a whole," Balazs Orban, who is not related to the prime minister, tweeted.

Fidesz lawmakers usually act in line the policies of Orban's government as he has tightened his grip on the party.

Hungary is currently in talks with the European Commission which has held up disbursement of vital EU funds to the country due to corruption and concerns over the government's erosion of democratic rights. Orban denies the accusations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ato-accession-swedish-bid-pending-2023-03-27/
 
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Turkish parliament ratifies Finland's NATO accession as Sweden kept waiting
Reuters | March 30, 2023

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Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan and Finland’s President Sauli Niinisto shake hands during a welcoming ceremony in Ankara, Turkey

ANKARA, March 30 (Reuters) - Turkey's parliament approved a bill on Thursday to allow Finland to join NATO, clearing the way for the country to become part of the Western defence alliance as war rages in Ukraine.

The Turkish parliament was the last among the 30 members of the alliance to ratify Finland's membership after Hungary's legislature approved a similar bill earlier this week.

President Tayyip Erdogan said earlier in March that Finland had secured Turkey's blessing after taking concrete steps to keep promises to crack down on groups seen by Ankara as terrorists, and to free up defence exports.

Finland and Sweden asked to join NATO last year in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But the process has been held up by Turkey and Hungary. The parliaments of all NATO members must ratify newcomers.

"NATO membership will strengthen Finland's security and improve stability and security in the Baltic Sea region and Northern Europe," the Finnish government said in a statement following the Turkish parliament vote.

Turkey is still holding off approving the membership bid of Finland's neighbour Sweden, which Ankara says has not gone far enough in cracking down on people Turkey considers terrorists. The three countries signed a pact on the issue last year.

The Turkish parliament's foreign affairs commission had unanimously approved the Finland bill last week. The Turkish legislative process was happening as it prepares for parliamentary and presidential elections on May 14.

Finland's membership would represent the first enlargement since North Macedonia joined the alliance in 2020.

Turkey has repeatedly said that Sweden needed to take additional steps against supporters of Kurdish militants and members of the network Ankara holds responsible for a 2016 coup attempt. Turkey treats both groups as terrorist organisations.

Talks between Sweden and Turkey have made little progress, especially following several disputes mainly over street protests by pro-Kurdish groups in Stockholm.

"Finland stands with Sweden now and in the future and supports its application," Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said soon after the Turkish vote.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has said he had urged Turkey and Hungary to ratify both applications. A vote on Sweden's bid has not yet been scheduled in Hungary.

WHAT'S NEXT?
The United States and other NATO countries are hoping that the two Nordic countries become members of the alliance at a NATO summit due to be held in July 11 in Lithuania's capital Vilnius.

Twe Turkish parliament's ratification of Finland's NATO membership is set to be approved by President Tayyip Erdogan and then published in the country's Official Gazette.

Finland has already completed the legal ratification process for its own part, in anticipation of its upcoming parliamentary election on Sunday and a corresponding electoral recess which could have otherwise postponed the process by some months.

Having completed the ratification process, both Turkey and Hungary need to send their approving documents to the U.S. government in Washington, which is the depository of NATO under the alliance's founding treaty.

Stoltenberg will then formally invite Finland to join NATO.

As a final step, Finland will deliver its "instrument of accession", a document signed by its foreign minister, with the U.S. government, the Finnish government said.

When Finland's instrument of accession document reaches the U.S. State Department, the Nordic country will formally become a NATO member.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/turkish-parliament-approves-finlands-nato-accession-2023-03-30/
 
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When did Finland ever smear his reputation? The only time I’ve seen denunciation of Orban is from official EU channels expressing “concern” about his actions.
Finland? Never as far as I can recall. Many in the swedish government did the typical unsubstantiated accusations deal from racism/xenophobia when Hungary built the fence to calling them Nazis for incentivizing having kids.
 
Joining the imperium of man...

Would be hilarious if erdogan woud say nope not approving the decision or documents got lost on the way
 
Finland will join NATO on Tuesday

BRUSSELS, April 3 (Reuters) - Finland will join NATO on Tuesday, a step that will make Finland safer and the alliance stronger, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said on Monday.

"We will raise the Finnish flag for the first time here at NATO headquarters. It will be a good day for Finland's security, for Nordic security and for NATO as a whole," he told reporters in Brussels.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-will-join-nato-tuesday-stoltenberg-2023-04-03/



 
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Finland doubling NATO’s border with Russia in blow to Putin
By LORNE COOK

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BRUSSELS (AP) — The blue-and-white Finnish flag rises outside NATO headquarters Tuesday afternoon, making Finland a member and doubling Russia’s border with the world’s biggest security alliance.

The move is a strategic and political blow to President Vladimir Putin, who has long complained about NATO’s expansion toward Russia and partly used that as a justification for his country’s war with Ukraine.

“What we see is that President Putin went to war against Ukraine with a declared aim to get less NATO,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said. “He’s getting the exact opposite.”

Like all NATO members, Finland will benefit from the collective security guarantee that an attack on one is considered an attack on all.

NATO has said that it has no immediate intention to step up its presence in Finland. Some members have deployed troops there for war games over the last year.

Russia immediately warned that it would bolster forces near Finland if NATO sends any additional troops or equipment to what will be its 31st member country

Finland has substantial, well-trained armed forces with elite troops capable of operating in the sub-zero temperatures of the high north. The Nordic country also has a large reserve army and is investing heavily in new equipment, including dozens of U.S.-made F-35 fighter jets.

The Finnish flag rising between the French and the Estonian in a ceremony scheduled for 1330 GMT will complete the fastest accession process in the organization’s recent history .

Alarmed by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year, Finland applied to join NATO in May 2022. Neighboring Sweden also applied, but its accession process will take longer.

The ceremony falls on NATO’s very own birthday, the 74th anniversary of the signing of its founding Washington Treaty on April 4, 1949.

“It will be a good day for Finland’s security, for Nordic security, and for NATO as a whole,” Stoltenberg told reporters on Monday on the eve of a meeting of alliance’s foreign ministers in Brussels.

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko warned that Moscow would bolster its own forces “in case of deployment of forces of other NATO members on the territory of Finland.”

“We will strengthen our military potential in the west and in the northwest,” Grushko said, according to the state RIA Novosti news agency, although Russia is already having trouble marshaling forces against far-smaller Ukraine.

Finland shares a 1,340-kilometer (832-mile) border with Russia and unlike most members of the alliance, Finland did not cut defense spending and investment after the Cold War.

“They have trained and built a large army over many years and maintain that high level of readiness. Finland is also a country with extremely high level of resilience, of preparedness throughout the whole society,” Stoltenberg said.

The country also helps to complete NATO’s geographical puzzle by filling in a major gap in the strategically important Baltic Sea region in Europe’s north.

On Tuesday, Stoltenberg said, Turkey, the last country to have ratified Finland’s membership, will hand the official document enshrining its approval to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

NATO’s top civilian official said he will then invite Finland to hand over its own signed documents, to complete the procedure.

Finnish President Sauli Niinistö and Defense Minister Antti Kaikkonen will attend the flag-raising ceremony along with Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto.

“It is a historic moment for us. For Finland, the most important objective at the meeting will be to emphasize NATO’s support to Ukraine as Russia continues its illegal aggression,” Haavisto said in a statement. “We seek to promote stability and security throughout the Euro-Atlantic region.”

Left-wing Prime Minister Sanna Marin had championed her country’s NATO accession, and lost a chance at another term over the weekend, but joining NATO was widely popular and not seen as a factor in her loss.

Lars Kahre, an entrepreneur from Helsinki, said the country’s decision to abandon its military non-alignment was caused by the changes in Europe over the last year.

“For a long time, we have been relying on our independence and neutrality and now we just realize that that’s not the path of the future,” he told The Associated Press. “Now we need to look for new options for the future.”

All 30 allies signed Finland’s and Sweden’s accession protocols soon after they applied. Turkey and Hungary delayed the process for months but relented on Finland. Turkey has sought guarantees and assurances from the two, notably to crack down on Kurdish groups. Hungary’s demands have never been explicit.

NATO must agree unanimously for new members to join, and the vast majority of members are keen to bring Sweden within the fold before U.S. President Joe Biden and his alliance counterparts hold their next summit in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius on July 11-12.

“Sweden is not left alone. Sweden is as close as it can come as a full-fledged member,” Stoltenberg said, and he urged Turkey to quickly ratify the country’s accession protocol, saying: “my position is that Sweden has delivered on the commitments they made.”

Jari Tanner in Helsinki contributed to this report.

https://apnews.com/article/nato-finland-ukraine-b056e7e0f12520e85ea2d81cd30eabc9
 
Finland doubling NATO’s border with Russia in blow to Putin
By LORNE COOK

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BRUSSELS (AP) — The blue-and-white Finnish flag rises outside NATO headquarters Tuesday afternoon, making Finland a member and doubling Russia’s border with the world’s biggest security alliance.

The move is a strategic and political blow to President Vladimir Putin, who has long complained about NATO’s expansion toward Russia and partly used that as a justification for his country’s war with Ukraine.

“What we see is that President Putin went to war against Ukraine with a declared aim to get less NATO,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said. “He’s getting the exact opposite.”

Like all NATO members, Finland will benefit from the collective security guarantee that an attack on one is considered an attack on all.

NATO has said that it has no immediate intention to step up its presence in Finland. Some members have deployed troops there for war games over the last year.

Russia immediately warned that it would bolster forces near Finland if NATO sends any additional troops or equipment to what will be its 31st member country

Finland has substantial, well-trained armed forces with elite troops capable of operating in the sub-zero temperatures of the high north. The Nordic country also has a large reserve army and is investing heavily in new equipment, including dozens of U.S.-made F-35 fighter jets.

The Finnish flag rising between the French and the Estonian in a ceremony scheduled for 1330 GMT will complete the fastest accession process in the organization’s recent history .

Alarmed by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year, Finland applied to join NATO in May 2022. Neighboring Sweden also applied, but its accession process will take longer.

The ceremony falls on NATO’s very own birthday, the 74th anniversary of the signing of its founding Washington Treaty on April 4, 1949.

“It will be a good day for Finland’s security, for Nordic security, and for NATO as a whole,” Stoltenberg told reporters on Monday on the eve of a meeting of alliance’s foreign ministers in Brussels.

Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko warned that Moscow would bolster its own forces “in case of deployment of forces of other NATO members on the territory of Finland.”

“We will strengthen our military potential in the west and in the northwest,” Grushko said, according to the state RIA Novosti news agency, although Russia is already having trouble marshaling forces against far-smaller Ukraine.

Finland shares a 1,340-kilometer (832-mile) border with Russia and unlike most members of the alliance, Finland did not cut defense spending and investment after the Cold War.

“They have trained and built a large army over many years and maintain that high level of readiness. Finland is also a country with extremely high level of resilience, of preparedness throughout the whole society,” Stoltenberg said.

The country also helps to complete NATO’s geographical puzzle by filling in a major gap in the strategically important Baltic Sea region in Europe’s north.

On Tuesday, Stoltenberg said, Turkey, the last country to have ratified Finland’s membership, will hand the official document enshrining its approval to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

NATO’s top civilian official said he will then invite Finland to hand over its own signed documents, to complete the procedure.

Finnish President Sauli Niinistö and Defense Minister Antti Kaikkonen will attend the flag-raising ceremony along with Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto.

“It is a historic moment for us. For Finland, the most important objective at the meeting will be to emphasize NATO’s support to Ukraine as Russia continues its illegal aggression,” Haavisto said in a statement. “We seek to promote stability and security throughout the Euro-Atlantic region.”

Left-wing Prime Minister Sanna Marin had championed her country’s NATO accession, and lost a chance at another term over the weekend, but joining NATO was widely popular and not seen as a factor in her loss.

Lars Kahre, an entrepreneur from Helsinki, said the country’s decision to abandon its military non-alignment was caused by the changes in Europe over the last year.

“For a long time, we have been relying on our independence and neutrality and now we just realize that that’s not the path of the future,” he told The Associated Press. “Now we need to look for new options for the future.”

All 30 allies signed Finland’s and Sweden’s accession protocols soon after they applied. Turkey and Hungary delayed the process for months but relented on Finland. Turkey has sought guarantees and assurances from the two, notably to crack down on Kurdish groups. Hungary’s demands have never been explicit.

NATO must agree unanimously for new members to join, and the vast majority of members are keen to bring Sweden within the fold before U.S. President Joe Biden and his alliance counterparts hold their next summit in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius on July 11-12.

“Sweden is not left alone. Sweden is as close as it can come as a full-fledged member,” Stoltenberg said, and he urged Turkey to quickly ratify the country’s accession protocol, saying: “my position is that Sweden has delivered on the commitments they made.”

Jari Tanner in Helsinki contributed to this report.

https://apnews.com/article/nato-finland-ukraine-b056e7e0f12520e85ea2d81cd30eabc9
Gawt dayum NATO aggression!
 
I’m fairly certain that Finland would not have stayed neutral in a WW3 scenario anyway.
 
ah good, another country the US can pay to defend.
Finland is probably the only country in the EU where polling shows that they’re ready to defend their country, and they have conscription. They also already spend the 2% of GDP our European friends can’t be bothered spending.

You have to actually judge every situation on their own merit. We would have a different opinion of NATO if all member states were like Finland.
 
Finland is probably the only country in the EU where polling shows that they’re ready to defend their country, and they have conscription. They also already spend the 2% of GDP our European friends can’t be bothered spending.

You have to actually judge every situation on their own merit. We would have a different opinion of NATO if all member states were like Finland.
I don't care who it is, honestly. The US spends too much on the defense of people who don't even like us.
 
One would think Russian media would report of such a great victory..
But not a word..

The military mission is near completion. Ukraine will be free of corruption and free of a takeover by the west.

Russia will allow Ukraine to be a sovereign nation once again.
 
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