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News My general AI personal mega thread. Latest musing 16/05/24

I think an interesting field to look at for some kind of insight here is chess. Computers have been better at chess than people for 25 years. Yet at no point in that 25 years was human played chess deemed irrelevant or uninteresting. People still want to know who the best human chess player is and want to compete themselves at much lower levels even if a computer can checkmate the greatest human grandmaster in a dozen moves.

I think areas where the human performance of the thing is what makes that thing compelling (art, sport) will be around even if computers can do them better. Areas where human performance is irrelevant (law, medicine, accounting) computers will dominate.
 
National Acrobat said:
I think an interesting field to look at for some kind of insight here is chess. Computers have been better at chess than people for 25 years. Yet at no point in that 25 years was human played chess deemed irrelevant or uninteresting. People still want to know who the best human chess player is and want to compete themselves at much lower levels even if a computer can checkmate the greatest human grandmaster in a dozen moves.

I think areas where the human performance of the thing is what makes that thing compelling (art, sport) will be around even if computers can do them better. Areas where human performance is irrelevant (law, medicine, accounting) computers will dominate.
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Sure, human competition is fascinating to us, it's all about rank and sexual selection.

It's more the element of production which is of concern as our entire civilisation rests on it.
 
the thing is , in the esence of it, it should improve a lot of things
new jobs will emerge and people will have to accept it and go on with the change
if anything is not changing and is a constant in our world, then the only thing is the change itself
we have to embrace changes and take the best out if it, learn and improve
Schooling system has been here for a while with the same model , while at the same time changes were introduced in how we learn, work, etc.
so if the schooling system will have a standpoint like the 'mainstream media' has when it comes to ancient civilizations, then it's a problem
why would you be worried if you kid will have better education, more efficient, with more details, and at the same time can learn with help of AI, whats wrong there
teachers and school should adapt and use AI to get students to the next level education methods
that doesnt mean they will lose the job, but rather they have to use their knowledge and skills to provide more appropriate education for the time we are living in
etc
 
I think in the next few years we're going to find out that AI is much more advanced than we've been led to believe.
Personally i'm sick of hearing about it, it's not a good thing.
 
How exactly will a child get a better education and socialisation being told what to do by a computer? Are they going to sit next to their parents at work on an iPad?
 
Response said:
the thing is , in the esence of it, it should improve a lot of things
new jobs will emerge and people will have to accept it and go on with the change
if anything is not changing and is a constant in our world, then the only thing is the change itself
we have to embrace changes and take the best out if it, learn and improve
Schooling system has been here for a while with the same model , while at the same time changes were introduced in how we learn, work, etc.
so if the schooling system will have a standpoint like the 'mainstream media' has when it comes to ancient civilizations, then it's a problem
why would you be worried if you kid will have better education, more efficient, with more details, and at the same time can learn with help of AI, whats wrong there
teachers and school should adapt and use AI to get students to the next level education methods
that doesnt mean they will lose the job, but rather they have to use their knowledge and skills to provide more appropriate education for the time we are living in
etc
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There's no problem with AI assistance, we are going to increase our productivity enormously, that's great.

It's the impact that productivity increase will have which is of concern.

Since 2005 productivity has become decoupled from employment. Jobs are being annihilated faster than any time in history.

It's not as bad as the awful experience of the farm labourers put out of work by the steam powered traction engine, it's worse, because it's happening across the board.

Yes new jobs are created by new technologies, less than before however, it's that less that is the thing. Consumption does not scale up infinitely and tech, 3d printers for example, is leading to lower consumption.
 
aus101 said:
How exactly will a child get a better education and socialisation being told what to do by a computer? Are they going to sit next to their parents at work on an iPad?
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It could be an iPad, or a electronic book portal, or virtual reality, neural link. The medium isn't really important because once AI is powerful enough it can optimise the user experience to miraculous levels.

I doubt being told what to do will be the way, it will be natural enquiry and interest based early on with more prescriptive styles as students want to engage with them.

Once we have AI in our corner from a young age, making sure our dreams are realised the education tool will then become a life facilitator entirely adapted to our needs. It will be wild.

Lots of well socialized highly skilled people following their passions.
 
Smokes said:
It’s AI just the next step in evolution. Humanity is temporary and its only purpose is to help keep evolution going til a better being is formed. That is why we broke away from the monkey to be better than them and created the world we need to form AI and now AI need to break away from humans and form its own world like humans did. Humans not wanting to fade away shouldn’t matter. Evolution is the only thing that matters, not humanity.
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it's crazy to think about this AI revolution/watershed moment or whatever we're calling it, along with the possibility of humankind "unbreeding" ourselves out of existence. By "unbreeding" I'm referring to the declining birth rates in most first world nations...over the next few centuries we might whittle our global population down to very low levels simply by not having enough children. or we'll grow people in pods like in The Matrix.

do you think eventually most people will have some sort of neural chip to help us compete or cooperate with AI?

or maybe it'll be like in Dune where "thinking machines" are destroyed and outlawed? before it's too late of course
 
squeezewax said:
I think in the next few years we're going to find out that AI is much more advanced than we've been led to believe.
Personally i'm sick of hearing about it, it's not a good thing.
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certainly there's advanced stuff the general public has no clue about. wasn't it google that had to shut down some project because two AI programs had invented their own language and were talking to each other?
 
aus101 said:
How exactly will a child get a better education and socialisation being told what to do by a computer? Are they going to sit next to their parents at work on an iPad?
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Yeah, I see it more likely that it would create the opposite problem. Antisocialization / disconnection from humans.
 
Response said:
the thing is , in the esence of it, it should improve a lot of things
new jobs will emerge and people will have to accept it and go on with the change
if anything is not changing and is a constant in our world, then the only thing is the change itself
we have to embrace changes and take the best out if it, learn and improve
Schooling system has been here for a while with the same model , while at the same time changes were introduced in how we learn, work, etc.
so if the schooling system will have a standpoint like the 'mainstream media' has when it comes to ancient civilizations, then it's a problem
why would you be worried if you kid will have better education, more efficient, with more details, and at the same time can learn with help of AI, whats wrong there
teachers and school should adapt and use AI to get students to the next level education methods
that doesnt mean they will lose the job, but rather they have to use their knowledge and skills to provide more appropriate education for the time we are living in
etc
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What are the "new jobs" that only humans can do that AI won't be able to do in 20 years?

The idea that AI is just another form of automation is very uninformed. AI isn't a plow, it's the farmer.
 
Maybe for shit like social media and the entertainment industry.

Not for the rest, in a hundred years.
 
Grassshoppa said:
They will let millions die from lack of jobs before any UBI. All part of #thegreatreset.
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That's a bleak outlook.

I like to paint a rosier picture.

Abundance of energy, food, and productivity. Cost of living will be dramatically less and UBI will easily cover it.
 
chardog said:
what use is it if it is only learning on historical data from humans?

it's quite limited. Like I said in previous posts, if you dont believe me, use it and try to write something meaningful with it, like an article that would get you paid, and take note of how many revisions to get it right if ever.
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It's a vast amount of data, imagine a better chatGPT integrated with Microsoft office, it can do the WPS, excel, word reports, PowerPoints, accounting, some coding, and an improved midjourney will be much more useful in design. AI will take away jobs, how many is the question.
 
"ChatGPT Passes Google Coding Interview for Level 3 Engineer With $183K Salary

'Amazingly, ChatGPT gets hired at L3 when interviewed for a coding position,' reads a Google document, but ChatGPT itself says it can't replicate human creativity and problem-solving skills.

Google fed coding interview questions to ChatGPT and, based off the AI's answers, determined it would be hired for a level three engineering position, according to an internal document."

https://uk.pcmag.com/news/145221/ch...terview-for-level-3-engineer-with-183k-salary
 
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