Musk , Mars and becoming an interplanetary species

[M3t4tr0n]

+1 would definitely mate with an Alien. The freakier the better.

Always wanted to Cryogenically Freeze myself Demolition Man style if i ever somehow got the money.

Wayward Pines TV series with Matt Dillon is a cool take on a scientist re-starting a small town from cryo freezing after the world goes to sh*t.

Wayward Pines sounds familiar. How many seasons is that?

 

[BearGrounds]

Humans being what they are, Space exploration and colonization is our best hope to achieve your goals. Earth will be a much healthier place when we have more room, and humanity will be much healthier when resources are less scarce.

IDK, man. Sounds like wishful thinking to me. A bunch of wasteful degenerates picking up and moving their operation across town, in all likelihood, are still going to be wasteful degenerates. I think making overall improvements here first is the key to being successful out there. As it is, we cannot even live properly on a planet favorable to life. Think about that. But I do appreciate the opposing viewpoints presented here ITT.

 

[Cocrehamster]

What was this Zip2 again? So he hires and pays people who know how to build rockets. It is not like he did it with his bare hands from scratch.

Also, I dont get something about Paypal. Why didnt Visa, Mastercard, Western Union, or Moneygram etc, just take over that market? They could have made Paypal obsolete. Does anybody even use Paypal now?

edit:

Okay I know what zip2 is now, but seriously, you are telling me it was worth $341mil. Yeh right.

Musk himself has done tons of the work on the rockets himself and probably knows more about them than anyone. He's extremely hands on and about as far from simply being the money guy as possible.

I'm about three quarters of the way through his biography and it's fascinating. I would highly reccomend it.

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Also, in reference to Zip2's value, do you remember the 90s tech craze!!???

 

[The ScorpioN]

IDK, man. Sounds like wishful thinking to me. A bunch of wasteful degenerates picking up and moving their operation across town, in all likelihood, are still going to be wasteful degenerates. I think making overall improvements here first is the key to being successful out there. As it is, we cannot even live properly on a planet favorable to life. Think about that. But I do appreciate the opposing viewpoints presented here ITT.

How do you improve people who don't want to improve? We have vast numbers of people on the planet believing in a literal apocalypse because of some sand dweller writings thousands of years ago. Sometimes you have to accept that certain cultures do not lead to progress, and instead of dragging them there slowing yourself down and putting yourself in danger, leave them be and do what will make the life of you, your child/grandchild better.

People like Musk are realistic pragmatic visionaries, not idealistic hippies.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Thats not my understanding, do you have a link ?

Ive read as few has 100 years

I do not have a link. I just can't imagine transforming an uninhabitable planet into something Earth-like would be accomplished in at very least 100,000 years.

 

[MeatheadMike]

IDK, man. Sounds like wishful thinking to me. A bunch of wasteful degenerates picking up and moving their operation across town, in all likelihood, are still going to be wasteful degenerates. I think making overall improvements here first is the key to being successful out there. As it is, we cannot even live properly on a planet favorable to life. Think about that. But I do appreciate the opposing viewpoints presented here ITT.

The space race from the 1960s yielded an accelerated rate of technological advancements which hugely improved our lives here on earth. Try an imagine what life would be like today without microprocessors or satellite technology.

More space research would push technology even further, and that would benefit everyone here on earth. For example maybe it might yield a better form of mass commercial air travel on earth (something that has remained relatively unchanged since the 1950s).

 

[BearGrounds]

How do you improve people who don't want to improve? We have vast numbers of people on the planet believing in a literal apocalypse because of some sand dweller writings thousands of years ago. Sometimes you have to accept that certain cultures do not lead to progress, and instead of dragging them there slowing yourself down and putting yourself in danger, leave them be and do what will make the life of you, your child/grandchild better.

People like Musk are realistic pragmatic visionaries, not idealistic hippies.

Lol are you implying that I'm some kind of idealistic hippie because I don't think that a species that cannot even manage it's home planet properly has little business trying to colonize one that they cannot even fucking breath on outside of a bubble? If so, funny stuff.

Everyone wants to improve, but not everyone knows how to or is capable of it all on their own. Our children and grandchildren would be much better served having an improved home planet conducive to human life left for them to live on, than a few bubbles on a Mars, clearly.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Lol are you implying that I'm some kind of idealistic hippie because I don't think that a species that cannot even manage it's home planet properly has little business trying to colonize one that they cannot even fucking breath on outside of a bubble? If so, funny stuff.

Everyone wants to improve, but not everyone knows how to or is capable of it all on their own. Our children and grandchildren would be much better served having an improved home planet conducive to human life left for them to live on, than a few bubbles on a Mars, clearly.

Why are you taking the planet as a whole monolith when there are several distinctions to make? I'd argue that generally the West has managed themselves pretty well, leading to a technological boom and an ever increasing breakthrough in medicine that allow you to live more and more comfortably. Especially leading to the chance to do what Musk is doing.

The planet as a whole would be wise to adopt those values, but they don't want to. Their loss. They can kill each other over some vague texts, while Musk and like minded people are going to be taking us into a completely new world.

 

[JDragon]

Lol are you implying that I'm some kind of idealistic hippie because I don't think that a species that cannot even manage it's home planet properly has little business trying to colonize one that they cannot even fucking breath on outside of a bubble? If so, funny stuff.

Everyone wants to improve, but not everyone knows how to or is capable of it all on their own. Our children and grandchildren would be much better served having an improved home planet conducive to human life left for them to live on, than a few bubbles on a Mars, clearly.

I totally get your point, but my assertion is that it will be easier to achieve your goals if we have the technology and science boost that manned Mars missions would bring.

 

[kpt018]

Cool thread idea, but I have no fucking idea. I know that innovation often comes from "madmen" with insane ideas.

Can someone explain why we would want to inhabit Mars in the first place?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Cool thread idea, but I have no fucking idea. I know that innovation often comes from "madmen" with insane ideas.

Can someone explain why we would want to inhabit Mars in the first place?

A mass supply of hydrocarbon for our energy needs -- plastics, paraffin, waxes, solvents and oils without having to frack, mine or drill on earth.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Cool thread idea, but I have no fucking idea. I know that innovation often comes from "madmen" with insane ideas.

Can someone explain why we would want to inhabit Mars in the first place?

The main idea is that eventually and inevitably life on earth will cease to be possible so let's get started with a fail safe plan , no time like the present

 

[kpt018]

A mass supply of hydrocarbon for our energy needs -- plastics, paraffin, waxes, solvents and oils without having to frack, mine or drill on earth.

Ok, but the only population would be workers. Are we sure there are usable resources there? It doesn't seem cost effective to me.

The main idea is that eventually and inevitably life on earth will cease to be possible so let's get started with a fail safe plan , no time like the present

So hypothetically we are saying Earth would become uninhabitable so we should travel to somewhere that is already uninhabitable? Maybe this shit is over my head but I just can't figure out why living on Mars would be advantageous. Is the assumption there is some catastrophe? If so, why is Mars not subject to the same risks?

I tend to think that living on Mars is really just a geek's fantasy and not really that practical, but I guess I should have an open mind.

 

[JDragon]

Ok, but the only population would be workers. Are we sure there are usable resources there? It doesn't seem cost effective to me.



So hypothetically we are saying Earth would become uninhabitable so we should travel to somewhere that is already uninhabitable? Maybe this shit is over my head but I just can't figure out why living on Mars would be advantageous. Is the assumption there is some catastrophe? If so, why is Mars not subject to the same risks?

I tend to think that living on Mars is really just a geek's fantasy and not really that practical, but I guess I should have an open mind.

IMO if we want to find a second Earth, it is not gonna be Mars. But we should definitely go there for scientific reasons. There's a lot of stuff robots cannot do or not do properly.

The mission of going there will bring a technological boost and therefore improve life here on Earth, bringing tangible benefits for all of us eventually. There is a proof of concept for this with the Apollo missions.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Ok, but the only population would be workers. Are we sure there are usable resources there? It doesn't seem cost effective to me.

Yes, we know there's resources there in the form of carbons there. The goal many of these capsule test is to see if we can form the logistics to bring cargo there and back. Lots of things may not seem cost effective to you in its early stages, but as technology progresses, the cost lowers. We have seen this with a plethora of areas. It use to cost almost a million dollars to store a gig of data - now it's a few cents.

Im on the side that sees Mars as a future oil site - rather than Earth v2,

 

[BearGrounds]

The space race from the 1960s yielded an accelerated rate of technological advancements which hugely improved our lives here on earth. Try an imagine what life would be like today without microprocessors or satellite technology.

More space research would push technology even further, and that would benefit everyone here on earth. For example maybe it might yield a better form of mass commercial air travel on earth (something that has remained relatively unchanged since the 1950s).

Sure, the pissing contest between super powers drove some technological progress. The US also gave war criminals a pass to make that happen. Is that the cost of progress? Or are there better ways?

In other words, perhaps two heads might just be better than one, and cooperation might just be a better alternative to egotistical dick measuring. Can we give that a go? Of course not. Let's squabble over resources, allow people to starve to death like "who cares?", and conduct nukes tests until the cows come home (we feed them better than many humans, lol).

Because clearly the only way to advance scientifically is through conflict and competition aimed at planting flags on uninhabitable space rocks before the other guy, right? Is that what you would have me and everyone else believe?

I just don't buy it. Sorry.

A project to colonize mars is something I don't see humanity as being ready for. Not by a long shot; especially given our inability to manage our life-bearing home planet (while being it's most capable stewards).

I totally get your point, but my assertion is that it will be easier to achieve your goals if we have the technology and science boost that manned Mars missions would bring.

You make a good point, and I have taken it into consideration. It's certainly a point worth contemplating. I honestly thank you for sharing it.

I just fear that this is energy wasted. A fools errand. As I said before, we cannot even prevent our own first world waterways from being polluted. What hope do we have of colonizing planets that are uninhabitable outside of closed environments, given our glaring failures here? Very little, imo.

Time would better spent working on projects to bolster our livelihood here.

We can still work on space projects that drive tech, such as:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...pourise-space-rocks-2-million-miles-away.html

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The mission of going there will bring a technological boost and therefore improve life here on Earth, bringing tangible benefits for all of us eventually. There is a proof of concept for this with the Apollo missions.

Can you expand upon this?

What did we find on the moon that benefited all? Or are you saying the progression of technology used during that short time frame - improved on things for humans?

 

[kpt018]

IMO if we want to find a second Earth, it is not gonna be Mars. But we should definitely go there for scientific reasons. There's a lot of stuff robots cannot do or not do properly.

The mission of going there will bring a technological boost and therefore improve life here on Earth, bringing tangible benefits for all of us eventually. There is a proof of concept for this with the Apollo missions.

Of course, I think space exploration and scientific advancement is not only a worth quest it's imperative. Don't get me wrong, I'm down with exploring space and find it incredibly exciting. I just can't figure out why people would want to live on a planet that is colder than Antartica but without breathable air!

 

[JDragon]

Can you expand upon this?

What did we find on the moon that benefited all? Or are you saying the progression of technology used during that short time frame - improved on things for humans?

The latter.

http://www.nasa-usa.de/sites/default/files/80660main_ApolloFS.pdf

 

[kpt018]

Yes, we know there's resources there in the form of carbons there. The goal many of these capsule test is to see if we can form the logistics to bring cargo there and back. Lots of things may not seem cost effective to you in its early stages, but as technology progresses, the cost lowers. We have seen this with a plethora of areas. It use to cost almost a million dollars to store a gig of data - now it's a few cents.

Im on the side that sees Mars as a future oil site - rather than Earth v2,

Perhaps, but I suppose a massive jump in technology is required since Mars is 249 million miles away (or more). The benefits would have to exceed the costs.