Musk , Mars and becoming an interplanetary species

I am sad I won't get to see the distant future. We are on the cusp of so many breakthroughs.
 
GhostZ06 said:
lol are you saying we can't do that? When a country heavily invests heavily in space techolgy we naturally get more advanced. we were suppose to be on mars in the 1970s, but plans where canceled. We already knew how to get there, an were about to drop a couple billion to get there.
We were already on the moon in the freakin 60's id say if we made it there, imagine where we would be if the nasa budget never changed.
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No, I'm saying the benefits from harvesting mars would have to be massive given the costs to get there. In other words, we would need a massive jump in technology to make it worth it.
 
kpt018 said:
No, I'm saying the benefits from harvesting mars would have to be massive given the costs to get there. In other words, we would need a massive jump in technology to make it worth it.
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lol your acting like it isnt worth it. We are already doing asteroid mining or pushing to start asteroid mining.
 
GhostZ06 said:
lol your acting like it isnt worth it. We are already doing asteroid mining or pushing to start asteroid mining.
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I'm not acting like anything. My main point in here was to ask why anyone would want to live on mars (it's worse than living in Antartica) and someone pointed out we could harvest. I said that's a good point just not cost effective yet.

I think you're reading too far here.
 
BearGrounds said:
True. I suppose that was just me ranting a bit, and somewhat overlooking the point of why you brought up that example. However, I did cover how I felt about what you're saying in my posts here. I feel there are still space projects to get involved in that can drive technology that are much more sensible, as well as beneficial to humanity - such as asteroid deflection.

Bolstering life here is more practical and important, imo, than Mars colonization, at this point in time (which, as I've stated from the beginning, I believe to be putting the cart before the horse.)
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Fair enough. Yea something like an asteroid deflection system would definitely be more practical/useful than a manned mission to Mars. And personally I think a non-manned mission to Europa to determine if their is life under its sub-surface ocean would be much more interesting than a manned mission to Mars. But the thing is, there's no profit in these type of projects, so they would only be able to come about if they were funded by the government (which would take a very long time without an imminent threat or superpower pissing match going on).

SpaceX is a private company driven by profits (which it needs to survive), and the only way it can make profits is from manned missions that people pay to go on. That's kind of why we get this cart before horse scenario. It is still not entirely a bad thing because this may push the technology enough to pave the way us to be able to eventually get to do those other projects faster.
 
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kpt018 said:
I'm not acting like anything. My main point in here was to ask why anyone would want to live on mars (it's worse than living in Antartica) and someone pointed out we could harvest. I said that's a good point just not cost effective yet.

I think you're reading too far here.
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well we need to figure out if we can terraform it,besides mankind needs to start looking to the stars to colonize and maybe get rid of some of the stress on earth
 
GhostZ06 said:
well we need to figure out if we can terraform it,besides mankind needs to start looking to the stars to colonize and maybe get rid of some of the stress on earth
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Maybe. But people who live in extreme areas of Earth like Antartica (scientists) and rough parts of Alaska go batshit crazy.
 
BearGrounds said:
From where I'm sitting, pragmatism doesn't involve colonizing Mars. But clearly that's where we disagree. Still, I thank you for providing your alternative viewpoint, and I promise you it has been considered with respect, not simply written off because it was not in-line with my taken stance.
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Space is the place... for slaves. Where do you run to? There master can charge for air, and you will be glad to buy. But you can still sleep and dream of the garden. You can always do that. It is ours. Ohhh but let's call it "a rock" and get off. Get off. Fuck off motherfuckers. You leave. I'm staying home with my lady.
 
Going to space with a bunch of rich fucks leading the way will just end up trashing this planet and having more rich dumb fucks in charge. We have to clean up our act. Fire the bosses. Then have fun and go to space. Great place for a grappling match.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
Are you familiar with the Fermi paradox, interesting stuff

So where the heck is everybody ?
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Yes! That's what I was trying to remember. I knew it wasn't the Drake equation, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the link. The simulation proposal is the nuttiest one in my opinion. What. The. Fuck?

In any event...

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Greoric said:
Yes! That's what I was trying to remember. I knew it wasn't the Drake equation, but wasn't sure. Thanks for the link. The simulation proposal is the nuttiest one in my opinion. What. The. Fuck?

In any event...

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Usually a paradox is in fact an indication that some very basic assumptions are wrong. Some of the most outlandish correlaries to the Fermi paradox are in my experience true. Of course that make me insane and therefore dismissable, right? At least you give enough of a fuck to post about it, most people act like cattle grazing and give little thought to their thought or existence, but if you pause to consider the absurd you will at the very least not be bored. Our civilization these last 5,000 years is just the latest in many iterations. In India these ideas are not so absurd. But they are an older culture with a longer memory than we Americans. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/forbidden-archeology-michael-a-cremo/1101109936?ean=9780892132942
 
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For those interested, as of 1:53 am EST, SpaceX successfully used their 2 stage F9 rocket to deploy the JCSAT - 14 (enjoy your enhanced data Japan) into geosynchronous orbit.

As added bonus, they were successful in landing the atmospheric rocket on to their autonomous landing pad despite the odds being against it due to increased speed and heat.

Congrats.

FYI, SpaceX host webinars for their launches and have a great team to explain everything, step by step in fairly easy to understand terminology. They are scheduled to launch another com-sat at the end of May.
 
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