Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

[Quequeg]

I wish they would go after Killary with such zeal.

They did and failed

 

[Quequeg]

It is good news for Trump, some Australian guy said so!

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Never heard of him

 

[second sight]

Tell us what we want to hear or we’ll start arresting your family, truthfulness not required

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

But he flipped don’t you understand he flipped!!!!

Remember those impeachment hearings that started immediately after Michael Flynn began cooperating?

Oh, that's right.....

 

[waiguoren]

I was only speaking of the 8 and yes he was convicted on all 8.

lol. Well yes, if you remove all the charges that he was not found guilty of, then he was found guilty on 100% of charges!

And in the new deal he will be pleading guilty to 2 of them with the prosecutors dropping or not pursuing the other 6 but he will be admitting to them.

For the third time, admitting to the underlying allegations for purposes of allowing the prosecution to secure a conspiracy charge is not the same as admitting to the charges themselves. For example, Manafort will admit to money laundering, but not as a formal charge.

Also, it's 5 extra, not 6 extra.

The new charges mean that prosecutors have agreed to drop five counts, including money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent and making false statements. Manafort appears set to admit to those allegations as part of the umbrella conspiracy-against-the-U.S. charge, but the individual charges and the potential prison time they carry are being dismissed.

And yes you suggested confessions were not proof of guilt because of the pressure or coercion that can be applied by the prosecutor.

I plead innocent. You misunderstood.

Of course confessions are not "proof" of guilt. They are highly suggestive of guilt. Pressure/coercion is just one vehicle that could create such a discrepancy. Anyway, this is not relevant.

You suggested a conviction was needed to ensure guilt.

No. I said that a plea to a minor charge under the cloud of a potential cooperation agreement and in the face of evidence of unprosecuted, more serious crimes is less convincing than a finding of guilt by a jury.

then when Manafort was convicted you stated that does not mean he is guilty and you cited an instance where someone was wrongly convicted to say 'see convictions can be wrong'.

I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Of course we can never "prove" anyone guilty of anything in the sense of a mathematical proof. But in the case of Manafort, there is no good reason to believe he is innocent of tax evasion and money laundering.

Therefore you set up a scenario that whether Trump cronies confess or are convicted you will dismiss it meaningless.

That's obviously false. I already stated that it seems clear that Manafort didn't pay his taxes and created illegal schemes to avoid detection. That's not "meaningless".

 

[luckyshot]

Tell us what we want to hear or we’ll start arresting your family, truthfulness not required

This has got to be the most laughable Deplorabot defense going: making some sort of sob-story martyrs over the likes of Cohen and Manafort.

Lol, whatever Drump's relation to Russia, those two are 100% slimeballs and deserve whatever they get. And probably much worse.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

I wish they would go after Killary with such zeal.

Gowdy did.

 

[zebby23]

I wish they would go after Killary with such zeal.

You actually have to commit crimes in the United States to be indicted. Not just listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Trumpsters are incredibly pro-crime these days. I'm a law and order guy myself but to each his own I guess.

 

[MikeMcMann]

This has got to be the most laughable Deplorabot defense going: making some sort of sob-story martyrs over the likes of Cohen and Manafort.

Lol, whatever Drump's relation to Russia, those two are 100% slimeballs and deserve whatever they get. And probably much worse.

Ya it is funny that many of the same people seem to revel at any perceived implication of the Clinton's and do not suggest that third party comments should be dismissed or not believed when it comes to the Clinton's.

 

[waiguoren]

You actually have to commit crimes in the United States to be indicted.

<{cruzshake}>

 

[MTT]

What matters did he agree to cooperate on? The article you posted says it does not involve matters related to the Trump campaign, yet the plea deal was via Mueller.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/paul-manafort-plea/index.html

A bit to wade through

 

[ultramanhyata]

Gowdy did.

 

[MTT]

No doubt Trump dropped the ball associating with this guy. His career is surreal. Working for Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Dole to Angolian rebel leaders, Congolese dictators, and exiled Ukranian presidents. It reminds me of the Yuri Orlov character minus the cool factor.

 

[The Big Bang]

It's the same bullshit as with Cohen. He's cooperating on things not related to Trump when you read between the lines. Another man bullied into a deal with the full might of the federal government and financial ruin to get a headline for Mueller and the Democrats he works for.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Manafort fucked himself by being a crooked crook.

 

[method115]

This really doesn't mean anything. During the whole Hillary email scandals there were a lot of people getting immunity deals and agreeing to cooperate. Nothing happened.

 

[bobgeese]

He promised to tell Meuller trump didntdonuffin.

 

[KeepItRealist]

Oh shut the fuck up.

Manafort fucked himself by being a crooked crook.

Every single person on Hillary's senior staff lied to the FBI and was given immunity in exchange for nothing. Mueller has given deals to numerous people who committed far worse crimes in order to get plea deals out of people associated with Trump for headlines. They have gone after people that were associated with Trump for months over things completely unrelated to Trump that happened a decade before he ran for office. Mueller is nothing but a partisan scumbag and the precedent he set is going to bite everyone in the ass.