Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

[waiguoren]

What truth did I stretch? Everything I posted we know as a fact. I know in the world you live in you're allowed to draft your own facts .But back in reality alternative facts don't exist .

No need to turn to personal insults, Bobby boy. I already explained that there are too many bots coming out for me to give you a detailed response. It's past 1 AM. Maybe tomorrow.


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WOODWARD FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION, EVEN THOUGH HE ‘LOOKED FOR IT HARD’

Veteran reporter Bob Woodward said Friday that he conducted a thorough investigation into possible Trump-Russia collusion while researching his latest book, “Fear: Trump in the White House,” but found no evidence of a conspiracy.

“Did you Bob Woodward hear anything in your research or your interviews that sounded like espionage or collusion?” conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt asked Woodward during an interview.

“I did not. Of course I looked for it, looked for it hard,” replied Woodward.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/bob-woodward-trump-collusion/

 

[vengeful]

Are you telling me this dude who invests all of this energy in defending Trump and demonizing immigration in the US isn't even American?

He doesn't defend Trump, he said so himself.

 

[waiguoren]

Are you telling me this dude who invests all of this energy in defending Trump and demonizing immigration in the US isn't even American?

You are a catty little lady, eh?

I have boundless energy, and it takes very little to swat away the puerile arguments of the bots in this thread.

I love immigration. I hate illegal immigration. Too hard to understand?

It's fun to watch you two lovebirds speculate about my nationality and place of residence. Carry on.

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Trump Signs Executive Order to Deter and Punish Foreign Meddling in U.S. Elections

President Donald Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order that seeks to prevent and punish foreign interference in U.S. elections. The executive order, which would impose sanctions on individuals, entities, or countries, was announced by National Security Adviser John Bolton during a White House conference call.

“Basically it’s a further effort among several that the administration has made to protect the United States against foreign interference in our elections, and really our political process more broadly,” Bolton said.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/12/trump-executive-order-foreign-meddling-election/

 

[waiguoren]

Only waiguoren, of all the stupid deplorables here, could somehow in his stupid little brain trick himself into believing Manafort flipping is somehow a "win" for trump.

You think Manafort is likely to give Mueller information that implicates Trump in "Russian collusion". I think that's exceedingly unlikely.

Therefore, this plea agreement means that the Manafort situation will mostly be out of the news by November. That's good for the Republicans.

Next time, respond to me directly. No need to hide.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

You are a catty little lady, eh?

I have boundless energy, and it takes very little to swat away the puerile arguments of the bots in this thread.

I love immigration. I hate illegal immigration. Too hard to understand?

It's fun to watch you two lovebirds speculate about my nationality and place of residence. Carry on.

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Trump Signs Executive Order to Deter and Punish Foreign Meddling in U.S. Elections

President Donald Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order that seeks to prevent and punish foreign interference in U.S. elections. The executive order, which would impose sanctions on individuals, entities, or countries, was announced by National Security Adviser John Bolton during a White House conference call.

“Basically it’s a further effort among several that the administration has made to protect the United States against foreign interference in our elections, and really our political process more broadly,” Bolton said.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/12/trump-executive-order-foreign-meddling-election/

Lol holy shit it's true

 

[LMP]

Well at least you're less hysterical and more open than many of the people here. Because of this, we are able to locate our area of disagreement.

My prediction is that Trump will come out of this in good shape. The Mueller investigation will end. The bots who inhabit this thread will find some scraps to collect and will try to cook a feast out of it. Trump will not be indicted. Trump will not be convicted. Trump will not be removed from office. Trump will not be an unindicted co-conspirator on any "Russia conspiracy to influence the 2016 election" charges.

Let's bet.

I think you have enough bets going on, dont you need to clear your plate a little? If not hit me up in bet thread.

 

[vengeful]

You think Manafort is likely to give Mueller information that implicates Trump in "Russian collusion". I think that's exceedingly unlikely.

Therefore, this plea agreement means that the Manafort situation will mostly be out of the news by November. That's good for the Republicans.

Next time, respond to me directly. No need to hide.

lol it wont be out of the news in two months. If he's helping Mueller it will be for months and not just something that happens and then it's over.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Catching crooked cheats...

It's a good thing, not a bad thing

 

[waiguoren]

I think you have enough bets going on, dont you need to clear your plate a little? If not hit me up in bet thread.

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lol it wont be out of the news in two months. If he's helping Mueller it will be for months and not just something that happens and then it's over.

What will be in the news? Mueller's team doesn't really leak. I'm talking about the type of things that influence polling.

 

[Quequeg]

MANAFORT INDICTMENT ALSO IMPLICATES TONY PODESTA, THE CLINTON-CONNECTED SUPERLOBBYIST

• Clinton-connected lobbyist Tony Podesta knew he was working with Paul Manafort on behalf of a Ukrainian politician, according to an indictment released Friday by the special counsel’s office.
• Podesta, Manafort and Mercury Public Affairs all failed to register as foreign agents of Ukraine for the work.
• Manafort entered a plea agreement with the special counsel Friday.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/manafort-ukraine-podesta/

So what? lock him up if guilty.

 

[MikeMcMann]

No. He admitted to the allegations underlying those charges, which allows the prosecutors to consummate the conspiracy charge. That's not the same as admitting to the charges. He will not plea guilty to 5 of 7 charges.

More broadly, let's see you connect these charges to the "muh Russia" conspiracy theory.

He was already found guilty on those other charges and now also admits them. So we have a jury conviction and an admission of guilt, which I am curious on how you will spin because when Cohen confessed you dismissed confessions saying sometime they are coerced so a conviction is what is reliable. When Manafort was convicted you said 'convictions can be wrong' and tried to dismiss it by citing wrongful convictions. so you won't accept a confession and you also wont accept a conviction when it does not suit you.

So how do you dismiss a Conviction accompanied with a Confession?

And as the domino's fall the Russia net is tightening. Muller is not on your time frame.

 

[Quequeg]

Well at least you're less hysterical and more open than many of the people here. Because of this, we are able to locate our area of disagreement.

My prediction is that Trump will come out of this in good shape. The Mueller investigation will end. The bots who inhabit this thread will find some scraps to collect and will try to cook a feast out of it. Trump will not be indicted. Trump will not be convicted. Trump will not be removed from office. Trump will not be an unindicted co-conspirator on any "Russia conspiracy to influence the 2016 election" charges.

Let's bet.

Once again you are not an American citizen, yet spend all day, every day defending Trump even more than our indigenous deplorables, are you getting paid?

 

[waiguoren]

So what? lock him up if guilty.

Hold on there, big boy. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[KeepItRealist]

Got Manafort to plead to a bunch of bs he would have pled to originally if offered, instead they ramped up the pressure in hope of getting him to make up shit against Trump. Mueller is a scumbag of the first order.

 

[MikeMcMann]

You are going to argue that they need to release all the information that they are building their case on, before they bring charges????



They ara building a nice pool of people to testify against Trump, can you not see that? If they have a case, they are going to have a bunch of solid witnesses. If one person is not credible thats fine, that's why they a gather multiple people close to the Trump campaign. When everyone involved with Trump was dirty, are you going to sit here and tell me Trump is clean? Get out of here with that crap. Its looking like Mueller is making sure he presents the best case possible.

The idea that 'Muller is going to litigate anything in the Press and because he has not done it proves he has nothing' is just too stupid to reply to. the case is moving forward and is well within the time frames you expect for such huge cases where the burden of proof will be much higher than usual.

Honestly just ignore him when he trolls with that suggestion that Muller needs to put it out in the press or there is nothing or proceed to court before he is done gathering evidence. As you point out, the case gets stronger and stronger with every domino falling and this is just escalating now. Others are now in much more danger with being convicted of lying if you have multiple witnesses cooperating and pointing the fingers at them.

 

[Quequeg]

Hold on there, big boy. Innocent until proven guilty.

You missed the if guilty part.

 

[waiguoren]

He was already found guilty on those other charges and now also admits them.

No. He pleaded not guilty to 18 tax and bank charges in the first trial. He was found guilty on 8/18. He has now pleaded guilty to two of seven charges (obstruction of justice and conspiracy). As part of his plea and to secure the conspiracy conviction, he will admit parts of the allegations contained in the remaining 5/7 charges. That is not the same as pleading guilty to those extra charges.

I am curious on how you will spin because when Cohen confessed you dismissed confessions saying sometime they are coerced so a conviction is what is reliable.

That's not what I said. I said nothing about coercion. I said it was in Cohen's best interest to plead guilty to the two minor campaign finance violations even if he thinks he's innocent of them. The potential fraud/tax charges he probably avoided by doing so would have carried a lot more jail time.

When Manafort was convicted you said 'convictions can be wrong' and tried to dismiss it by citing wrongful convictions.

No, you're mixing up Manafort and Cohen again.

So how do you dismiss a Conviction accompanied with a Confession?

I don't dismiss it. Manafort didn't pay his taxes. Now he will pay the price. This is not surprising to anybody.

And as the domino's fall the Russia net is tightening.

 

[waiguoren]

You missed the if guilty part.

Nah. He might be guilty but found innocent. Those Podestas are slick characters.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I can predict the future.

Future Tweet.

'The President did nothing wrong. Paul Manafort was never a friend of mine.'

 

[luckyshot]

Paul Manafort Pleads Guilty, Agrees To Cooperate With Prosecutors

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort pleaded guilty on Friday and agreed to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller in his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Manafort entered his guilty plea to two felony counts during an hourlong hearing in federal court in Washington, D.C. The plea took place three days before he was to face trial on charges related to his lobbying work for Ukraine and alleged witness tampering.

The trial would have been Manafort's second; he was convicted last month by a federal jury in Virginia on eight of 18 counts in a bank and tax fraud case related to money he earned in Ukraine.

In court on Friday, Manafort blew a kiss to his wife, Kathleen, before the hearing.

The deal presents a potentially ominous development for President Trump, who has repeatedly called Mueller's probe a "witch hunt."

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/14/6430...-in-agreement-to-avert-a-second-federal-trial

Gee, remember when the Manafort was indicted and his lawyer described the proceedings as a "ridiculous witch hunt"?