Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

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waiguoren said:
The agreement calls for a 10-year cap on how long Manafort will be sent to prison, and for Manafort to serve time from his separate Virginia and Washington cases concurrently. The deal also calls for Manafort to forfeit four properties and dismisses deadlocked charges from an earlier trial.

But it will not release Manafort from jail, where he has been held since Mueller's team added witness tampering charges during the run-up to the longtime lobbyist's trial.

And Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissmann said dismissal of the previous charges against Manafort is dependent on him completing “successful cooperation” with Mueller’s probe into Russian election interference and whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Moscow on its efforts. Weissmann did not immediately expand on what cooperation is required under the deal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018...ul-manafort-appears-to-reach-plea-deal-823882
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Looks good for Manafort and Trump. Manafort will do a few years. I doubt he'll compose and I doubt he has much to sing about regarding "muh collusion".
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10+ years in prison for Manafort looks good?

Are you retarded?
 
waiguoren said:
I love you.

I do have hope that one day, you will find within yourself the testicular fortitude to analyze my arguments and attempt at least a partial rebuttal.

More likely, you will continue to act in this effeminate manner. For some, it is destiny.
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You don't even have a real girlfriend.

Stop talking about testicles since yours are unused.
 
MANAFORT INDICTMENT ALSO IMPLICATES TONY PODESTA, THE CLINTON-CONNECTED SUPERLOBBYIST

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  • Clinton-connected lobbyist Tony Podesta knew he was working with Paul Manafort on behalf of a Ukrainian politician, according to an indictment released Friday by the special counsel’s office.
  • Podesta, Manafort and Mercury Public Affairs all failed to register as foreign agents of Ukraine for the work.
  • Manafort entered a plea agreement with the special counsel Friday.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/manafort-ukraine-podesta/
 
waiguoren said:
The entire Manafort situation is a political win for Trump, and it's purely because of the idiocy of the anti-Trumpers' framing.

The Democrats have been hanging their hat on "Muhhh Russia" for nearly two years now, yet Mueller's team has presented nothing suggesting a conspiracy between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin to influence the 2016 election.

If the Democrats had framed this issue from the start as "Trump is surrounded by crooks", they would have gotten a lot more mileage out of the investigations.
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<TrumpWrong1>

You are going to argue that they need to release all the information that they are building their case on, before they bring charges????

<Dany07>

They ara building a nice pool of people to testify against Trump, can you not see that? If they have a case, they are going to have a bunch of solid witnesses. If one person is not credible thats fine, that's why they a gather multiple people close to the Trump campaign. When everyone involved with Trump was dirty, are you going to sit here and tell me Trump is clean? Get out of here with that crap. Its looking like Mueller is making sure he presents the best case possible.
 
waiguoren said:
Looks good for Manafort and Trump. Manafort will do a few years. I doubt he'll compose and I doubt he has much to sing about regarding "muh collusion".
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Not sure how this is a good look for tRUmp. Regarding manafort, he was the one who pushed the new Ukraine stance (pro Russian interests) at the RNC .

The investigation hasn't swept up (at least in indictments we know of) Jr or Kushner. It's looking more and more like it will stemming from the tower meeting .2 of the 4 at the meeting have cooperation agreements.

We already know Jr lied to Congress about contacts with Russians .We know Kushner wanted a backchannel set up to communicate. We know Kushner lied on security forms and amended multiple times
 
waiguoren said:
The entire Manafort situation is a political win for Trump, and it's purely because of the idiocy of the anti-Trumpers' framing.

The Democrats have been hanging their hat on "Muhhh Russia" for nearly two years now, yet Mueller's team has presented nothing suggesting a conspiracy between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin to influence the 2016 election.

If the Democrats had framed this issue from the start as "Trump is surrounded by crooks", they would have gotten a lot more mileage out of the investigations.
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Lol people have been saying he's surrounded himself with incompetents and crooks from the beginning.

This is similar to your "8/18" comment in regards to Manafort.

The shit is so fucked your relieved whenever the news of the day isn't the worst headline imaginable.

"Yeah Cosby raped those girls, but he didn't murder them afterwards so it isn;t all bad."
 
Lowmanproblems said:
<TrumpWrong1>

You are going to argue that they need to release all the information that they are building their case on, before they bring charges????

<Dany07>

They ara building a nice pool of people to testify against Trump, can you not see that? If they have a case, they are going to have a bunch of solid witnesses. If one person is not credible thats fine, that's why they a gather multiple people close to the Trump campaign. When everyone involved with Trump was dirty, are you going to sit here and tell me Trump is clean? Get out of here with that crap. Its looking like Mueller is making sure he presents the best case possible.
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So you expect Mueller to nail Trump on Russia collusion, right?
 
waiguoren said:
The entire Manafort situation is a political win for Trump, and it's purely because of the idiocy of the anti-Trumpers' framing.

The Democrats have been hanging their hat on "Muhhh Russia" for nearly two years now, yet Mueller's team has presented nothing suggesting a conspiracy between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin to influence the 2016 election.

If the Democrats had framed this issue from the start as "Trump is surrounded by crooks", they would have gotten a lot more mileage out of the investigations.
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Surrounding yourself with crooks is not treasonous.

There are so many that band aids that can be pulled off. 10 years from now both parties will disavow him like worse than Nixon. Trump will be nothing more than a footnote like Ford. Once enough time has passed to get perspective, people will see him for what he is.
 
waiguoren said:
So you expect Mueller to nail Trump on Russia collusion, right?
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I expect him to present the best case he can. This goes a long way to improving his case, it most definitely is not a win for Trump.
 
waiguoren said:
That is true. I have a wife. I love her dearly. Kids coming soon.



You seem like a nice guy.

<{ByeHomer}>


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Oh God can we move this to the OT thread? I wanna know more about this wife.

How much did she cost?
 
Bobby 3 Sticks said:
Not sure how this is a good look for tRUmp. Regarding manafort, he was the one who pushed the new Ukraine stance (pro Russian interests) at the RNC .

The investigation hasn't swept up (at least in indictments we know of) Jr or Kushner. It's looking more and more like it will stemming from the tower meeting .2 of the 4 at the meeting have cooperation agreements.

We already know Jr lied to Congress about contacts with Russians .We know Kushner wanted a backchannel set up to communicate. We know Kushner lied on security forms and amended multiple times
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There's a lot of stretching of the truth in this comment, but since many bots have come out of the woodwork I will just respond to the main thrust.

You ignored crucial context: I'm talking politics.

The anti-Trumpers in the mainstream media, the Democratic Party, Twitter, this thread, and elsewhere have been shouting about Russia-Trump "collusion" to influence the 2016 election for nearly two years. That's been their main critique, and they've set up a certain expectation (a "cloud") that Mueller will find election/Russia-related "dirt" on Trump.

Most of the electorate doesn't follow this stuff very closely. If Mueller fails to nail Trump for "collusion", this will give those on the fence about Trump a reason to hop aboard the Trump train and will thereby give Trump a political boost.

Of course, you might think that Trump will be taken down in the meantime on some other line of inquiry. I doubt it.
 
ITT I learned Manafort's plea deal looks good for Trump and bad for Hilldawg. Never change, Trump fanboyz.
 
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