Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

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MikeMcMann said:
Well d'uh. Why would the cases not currently on the table be included.

And you are wrong. In the plea agreement it is being reported that he has to admit to everything in the prior charges even though they are not pursuing them. That is so that if he does not cooperate and the deal falls apart they will have him not just pleading guilty on the 2 counts but also admitting to the other 6.
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I'll be @waiguoren ...

"just because he's admitting to it doesn't mean he did it"

You're not gonna get an honest response to this, you're gonna get "Yeah, he was coerced to admit he did EVERTYHING they said he did"...of course not understanding that with regards to his testimony against "whoever" there needs to be corroborating evidence.

The walls are closing in...the defenders are getting more and more ridiculous. It's fun.
 
waiguoren said:
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If I am charged with 100 crimes but I am only found guilty of one of them, you wouldn't say "you were found guilty of all 1/1 crimes!"

You would say I was found guilty on 1/100 or 1% of the charges.
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N'ah.

We were talking about him pleading guilty NOW of 2 of 8 charges he was found guilty of and yet stipulating on the other 6 that he was guilty of the others as well.

Therefore in this plea agreement it is important to know he is guilty of all the charges he was found guilty of.

No one was referring to the outstanding charges that no one is litigating or pursuing right now.

If you plead guilty to 2 of 8 charges that were found against you but stipulate and admit to the rest then it is fair to say you are guilty of them all.
 
MTT said:
No doubt Trump dropped the ball associating with this guy. His career is surreal. Working for Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Dole to Angolian rebel leaders, Congolese dictators, and exiled Ukranian presidents. It reminds me of the Yuri Orlov character minus the cool factor.
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That's correct. Manafort's closets not only have skeletons, they have trapdoors. It's going to turn over some interesting stones.

bobgeese said:
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That's speculation. This is on record:
"Under the deal, Manafort agrees to cooperate in any and all matters as to which the government deems the cooperation relevant. That includes testifying fully and completely before a grand jury in Washington, D.C., or elsewhere, according to the plea agreement."
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/14/6430...-in-agreement-to-avert-a-second-federal-trial

In other words, we can guess about what questions Mueller plans on asking Manafort, but Manafort has agreed to answer them, whatever they are/ may be.

I don't really think the Muller probe is going to end with a collusion charge against Trump, btw. I never did. I think obstruction of justice is obvious prima facie, though, and Kushner and Don Jr.'s balls may be in a sling.
 
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KeepItRealist said:
It's the same bullshit as with Cohen. He's cooperating on things not related to Trump when you read between the lines. Another man bullied into a deal with the full might of the federal government and financial ruin to get a headline for Mueller and the Democrats he works for.
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Agreed 100%. The reptiles have dug their claws deep, he had no choice. They needed him to flip before the next Bilderberg group meeting so they can continue fucking kids in that pizza parlor in DC.

Another patriot and true American has fallen #maga #falseflag #pizzagate
 
luckyshot said:
That's correct. Manafort's closets not only have skeletons, they have trapdoors. It's going to turn over some interesting stones.


That's speculation. This is on record:
Under the deal, Manafort agrees to cooperate in any and all matters as to which the government deems the cooperation relevant. That includes testifying fully and completely before a grand jury in Washington, D.C., or elsewhere, according to the plea agreement.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/14/6430...-in-agreement-to-avert-a-second-federal-trial

In other words, we can guess about what questions Mueller plans on asking Manafort, but Manafort has agreed to answer them, whatever they are/ may be.

I don't really think the Muller probe is going to end with a collusion charge against Trump, btw. I never did. I think obstruction of justice is obvious almost prima facie, and Kushner and Don Jr.'s balls may be in a sling, though.
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You mean obstruction of the investigation for which there was never actually a crime?


Yeah, good luck on that...
 
zebby23 said:
You actually have to commit crimes in the United States to be indicted. Not just listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity
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Like using an illegal private email server? And destroying evidence?
 
Trump can only pardon someone if legally sentenced, Right? So no point in delaying?
 
Are we seriously back to the "hes not guilty because he pled to a lesser charge" defense
 
JDragon said:
Trump can only pardon someone if legally sentenced, Right? So no point in delaying?
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No, he can pardon before conviction, after conviction but before sentencing, or after sentencing.
 
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