Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

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Every single person on Hillary's senior staff lied to the FBI and was given immunity in exchange for nothing. Mueller has given deals to numerous people who committed far worse crimes in order to get plea deals out of people associated with Trump for headlines. They have gone after people that were associated with Trump for months over things completely unrelated to Trump that happened a decade before he ran for office. Mueller is nothing but a partisan scumbag and the precedent he set is going to bite everyone in the ass.
Fuck Hillary.

She is corrupt.

...but guess what, this thread is about Manafort.

Oh, and if you want to compare corruption to corruption, (Hillary vs Trump) there is NO comparison.

Trump is the fucking worst of the fucking worst to say the least.
 
Fuck Hillary.

She is corrupt.

...but guess what, this thread is about Manafort.

Oh, and if you want to compare corruption to corruption, (Hillary vs Trump) there is NO comparison.

Trump is the fucking worst of the fucking worst to say the least.

That's the whole point. Manafort worked for other Republicans in the past and Trump hired him foolishly on advice from establishment Republicans. Now he's blamed for things that have absolutely nothing to do with him. And a rogue prosecutor has all these resources to destroy someone's life for political purposes.

But the fact that you think Trump is more corrupt than Hillary says everything.
 
What matters did he agree to cooperate on? The article you posted says it does not involve matters related to the Trump campaign, yet the plea deal was via Mueller.
I don't think we know that yet. The cooperation agreement has not been released.
 
This really doesn't mean anything. During the whole Hillary email scandals there were a lot of people getting immunity deals and agreeing to cooperate. Nothing happened.
Like who?
 
Too many establishment entities out to get Trump. Hard to sift through the bs.

Like, imagine if fox news was in charge of every Hillary investigation, and the benghazi crap.. that's what this looks like; Only it's worse.
 
That's the whole point. Manafort worked for other Republicans in the past and Trump hired him foolishly on advice from establishment Republicans. Now he's blamed for things that have absolutely nothing to do with him. And a rogue prosecutor has all these resources to destroy someone's life for political purposes.

But the fact that you think Trump is more corrupt than Hillary says everything.

loooooooooooooooooooool

Trump is racist/sexist/homophobic/DUMB AS FUCK/misogynistic/MALIGNANTLY NARCISSISTIC/a liar extraordinaire/a DANGER to the USA/childish/THE ULTIMATE THIN SKINNED CRY BABY/oh, did I say DUMB...fuck he's a dummy.

Please note that I did not commonet on him being fat/ugly/a heart attack and stroke waiting to happen, etc, as I am merely commenting on his lack of any character whatsofuckingever.
 
No doubt Trump dropped the ball associating with this guy. His career is surreal. Working for Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Dole to Angolian rebel leaders, Congolese dictators, and exiled Ukranian presidents. It reminds me of the Yuri Orlov character minus the cool factor.

That and prime Bridget Moynahan
 
Fuck Hillary.

She is corrupt.

...but guess what, this thread is about Manafort.

Oh, and if you want to compare corruption to corruption, (Hillary vs Trump) there is NO comparison.

Trump is the fucking worst of the fucking worst to say the least.



This is demonstrably false.

The Clintons are FAR more crooked than Trump.


For instance, Bill Clinton (after both he and Hillary met privately with Putin) gave a speech in Russia and was paid half a million from a kremlin backed bank.

But you know, Jeff Sessions once talked to a Russian....
 
Got Manafort to plead to a bunch of bs he would have pled to originally if offered, instead they ramped up the pressure in hope of getting him to make up shit against Trump. Mueller is a scumbag of the first order.
ITT a bunch of Mango Mussolinis show their IQ and lack of knowledge about our legal system. A verbal confession is hearsay and typically inadmissible in court. In order for Mueller to agree to cooperation, Manafort would have to supply material evidence to back up any written or verbal statements.
 
lol. Well yes, if you remove all the charges that he was not found guilty of, then he was found guilty on 100% of charges!



For the third time, admitting to the underlying allegations for purposes of allowing the prosecution to secure a conspiracy charge is not the same as admitting to the charges themselves. For example, Manafort will admit to money laundering, but not as a formal charge.

Also, it's 5 extra, not 6 extra.

The new charges mean that prosecutors have agreed to drop five counts, including money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent and making false statements. Manafort appears set to admit to those allegations as part of the umbrella conspiracy-against-the-U.S. charge, but the individual charges and the potential prison time they carry are being dismissed.



I plead innocent. You misunderstood.

Of course confessions are not "proof" of guilt. They are highly suggestive of guilt. Pressure/coercion is just one vehicle that could create such a discrepancy. Anyway, this is not relevant.



No. I said that a plea to a minor charge under the cloud of a potential cooperation agreement and in the face of evidence of unprosecuted, more serious crimes is less convincing than a finding of guilt by a jury.




I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Of course we can never "prove" anyone guilty of anything in the sense of a mathematical proof. But in the case of Manafort, there is no good reason to believe he is innocent of tax evasion and money laundering.




That's obviously false. I already stated that it seems clear that Manafort didn't pay his taxes and created illegal schemes to avoid detection. That's not "meaningless".
Well d'uh. Why would the cases not currently on the table be included.

And you are wrong. In the plea agreement it is being reported that he has to admit to everything in the prior charges even though they are not pursuing them. That is so that if he does not cooperate and the deal falls apart they will have him not just pleading guilty on the 2 counts but also admitting to the other 6.
 
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ty-avoid-second-trial.html?fbToken=&fbUserId=

"Onetime Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort indicated in a court filing on Friday that he had reached a plea deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller in which he will plead guilty to two criminal counts, allowing him to avoid a trial that had been set to begin next week. The remaining five charges against Manafort will be dropped. He will also forfeit many of his assets as part of the deal; worth about $46 million, they would single-handedly cover the cost of the Mueller investigation."


Bobby M is locking away criminals and saving taxpayers money.

... meanwhile covfefe is dunking $70M on golf :D
 
ITT a bunch of Mango Mussolinis show their IQ and lack of knowledge about our legal system. A verbal confession is hearsay and typically inadmissible in court. In order for Mueller to agree to cooperation, Manafort would have to supply material evidence to back up any written or verbal statements.
Sorry but you are wrong.

A verbal confession, unless coerced or gained illegally is always admissible and something a jury can consider. A key tactic of law enforcement is to trick or pressure a person into confessing and tape it and as long as they do not break any laws in getting it, it will be admissible. They will often send in a cooperating witness to illicit the confession/admission while wired.
 
Lol people have been saying he's surrounded himself with incompetents and crooks from the beginning.

This is similar to your "8/18" comment in regards to Manafort.

The shit is so fucked your relieved whenever the news of the day isn't the worst headline imaginable.

"Yeah Cosby raped those girls, but he didn't murder them afterwards so it isn;t all bad."

It's a political win for Cosby
 
lol. Well yes, if you remove all the charges that he was not found guilty of, then he was found guilty on 100% of charges!



For the third time, admitting to the underlying allegations for purposes of allowing the prosecution to secure a conspiracy charge is not the same as admitting to the charges themselves. For example, Manafort will admit to money laundering, but not as a formal charge.

Also, it's 5 extra, not 6 extra.

The new charges mean that prosecutors have agreed to drop five counts, including money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent and making false statements. Manafort appears set to admit to those allegations as part of the umbrella conspiracy-against-the-U.S. charge, but the individual charges and the potential prison time they carry are being dismissed.



I plead innocent. You misunderstood.

Of course confessions are not "proof" of guilt. They are highly suggestive of guilt. Pressure/coercion is just one vehicle that could create such a discrepancy. Anyway, this is not relevant.



No. I said that a plea to a minor charge under the cloud of a potential cooperation agreement and in the face of evidence of unprosecuted, more serious crimes is less convincing than a finding of guilt by a jury.




I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Of course we can never "prove" anyone guilty of anything in the sense of a mathematical proof. But in the case of Manafort, there is no good reason to believe he is innocent of tax evasion and money laundering.




That's obviously false. I already stated that it seems clear that Manafort didn't pay his taxes and created illegal schemes to avoid detection. That's not "meaningless".
brochacho, Manafort just admitted he was guilty of EVERYTHING he has been charged with.
 
Well d'uh. Why would the cases not currently on the table be included.

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If I am charged with 100 crimes but I am only found guilty of one of them, you wouldn't say "you were found guilty of all 1/1 crimes!"

You would say I was found guilty on 1/100 or 1% of the charges.
 
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