Muay Thai fighters who "just stand there"

[Karaev fan]

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/muay-thai-vs-neo-footwork.3302535/

Good bait, but you sorta set em up by mentioning TJ and Cruz. Now they're just off topic and arguing with each other about which one's better or not.

Found a few fun ones though

While we are talking about movement, imo Ross Pearson has some super slick movement in the pocket. People miss over and over, and sometimes I think the judges think he is getting hit when he isn't.

The one running towards the other guy here

 

[SuperLuigi]

Good bait, but you sorta set em up by mentioning TJ and Cruz. Now they're just off topic and arguing with each other about which one's better or not.

Found a few fun ones though

Best reply in that thread imo:

 

[Kanka]

lm

Good bait, but you sorta set em up by mentioning TJ and Cruz. Now they're just off topic and arguing with each other about which one's better or not.

Found a few fun ones though



The one running towards the other guy here

lmao

 

[MMouse]

Op obviously hasnt seen matt hughes elite striking or even joanna juftdiwizick muay thai skils.

Thais just stand in front. Flat footed and take damages. Joe rogan says so

 

[mikiemike87]

Neofootwork popularized by Cruz/DJ/ TJ was developed in a mma setting, and I highly doubt its applicability in any pure stand up rules. However, I do think elements of said footwork and style is predominantly boxing centric, and I would love to see more elements of western boxing in Muay Thai. Just like I would love to see better Muay Thai skill demonstrated in mma.

Instead of "neofootwork" I would much rather see better integration of boxing/muay thai principles. Perhaps it first requires elite level muay thai, but I always love watching Samart's integration of boxing. His use of lateral motion off his jabbing hand from both orthodox and south is simple yet effective. Definitely showing that lateral boxing movements in certain spots, and switching stances is viable in Muay Thai. I personally just love how seamless the jab/teep flows are. I don't think it has to be nearly as fancy as what we're seeing with the mma guys, just better use of the jabbing hand from different stances is enough for me. I'm not much of a Muay Thai historian as some of you, its hard for me to find information on how good these fighters from yesteryear were, but this fight highlights the switch stance and right/left handed jabs well.

 

[Queen B]

There's a difference between just standing there and not knowing how to move. You can use minimal footwork and still being able to close the distance or move out of the way when needed.

See Jomhod Kiatadisak for instance:

Jomhod isnt just standing there. You can see him cutting Dekkers off the ring.

 

[StopDucking]

Jomhod isnt just standing there. You can see him cutting Dekkers off the ring.

If your definition of "standing there" is "not moving at all" then I won't be able to find a single name cause nobody does that.

 

[Kanka]

Isn't that what effective footwork is after all?

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

I don't like seeing guys running around all the time. I think its mostly because they cant fight in the pocket along with all the other stuff they have to deal with like takedowns.

 

[MMouse]

who are some good muay thai fighters that utilize angles or even subtle angles

 

[Kanka]

Superlek should learn from this guy

 

[Kanka]

If saeksan incorporated these movement drills instead of just standing and banging he would be the goat

 

[Joe Buck]

Jake Sheilds

4am here.. This crack me up

 

[Joe Buck]

Jean Charles Skarbowsky.

 

[Sanchoy]

Usually you run across 2 types of fighters in Thailand. The slick evasive type, or the plowing moving forward type. The second type of fighter, have very little movement, are strong as a rock, and will use their power to overwhelm you. Here are Some examples.

Yodsanklai Fairtex


Bovy


pornsanae


Rungravee Sasiprapa


Anuewat Kaewsamrit


Petchboonchu FA Group (more of a moving forward knee fighter, but very good and catching kicks while standing still, absorbing and returning hard knees)

 

[RichardN7]

I'd appreciate it if you guys can post examples of prominent competitors who fight this way.

What are the flaws in the norms of Muay Thai with regard to movement? It's a widely held belief that Muay Thai fighters don't know how to move and it's such a terrible thing. Why is this?

I'm looking for expert opinions.

Well, in my old gym there was this Muay Thai guy. He'd trained for about 3 years, including a stint in Thailand (he was pretty traditional in terms of style). Whenever I sparred with him, he stood pretty statically (typical MT) and had good kicks and very weak hands.
If I tried to kick he'd catch it and and counter right away. However, when I shortened the distance (he was taller) by slipping his very predictable jab and started going off on him with punches, he just stood there covering up. His liver was open, uppercuts were going in between his hands, and he still stood there :/ no defensive action other than covering up, no retreating, nothing.
He's a good guy. I felt sad when he went to an ammie fight and got mauled by a shorter boxer much how like I did in training.
My point is, while there are many useful aspects of MT, weak punching game and lax footwork are not among them. You can't just stay there and take shots like Thais would. That's why I favor Dutch kickboxing over traditional MT.

 

[Kanka]

Well, in my old gym there was this Muay Thai guy. He'd trained for about 3 years, including a stint in Thailand (he was pretty traditional in terms of style). Whenever I sparred with him, he stood pretty statically (typical MT) and had good kicks and very weak hands.
If I tried to kick he'd catch it and and counter right away. However, when I shortened the distance (he was taller) by slipping his very predictable jab and started going off on him with punches, he just stood there covering up. His liver was open, uppercuts were going in between his hands, and he still stood there :/ no defensive action other than covering up, no retreating, nothing.
He's a good guy. I felt sad when he went to an ammie fight and got mauled by a shorter boxer much how like I did in training.
My point is, while there are many useful aspects of MT, weak punching game and lax footwork are not among them. You can't just stay there and take shots like Thais would. That's why I favor Dutch kickboxing over traditional MT.

You can't judge a whole sport by sparring one amateur guy. I could make countless examples of opposite experiences that i've had.

 

[RichardN7]

You can't judge a whole sport by sparring one amateur guy. I could make countless examples of opposite experiences that i've had.

That's true, I agree, but I've seen too many traditional Thai-style kickboxers getting outboxed in various places and at various levels to not see a trend emerging. :/ it seems they don't have an answer to good punchers if the clinch fails.

 

[Kanka]

That's true, I agree, but I've seen too many traditional Thai-style kickboxers getting outboxed in various places and at various levels to not see a trend emerging. :/ it seems they don't have an answer to good punchers if the clinch fails.

Any examples of elite thai fighters that are not way past their prime being outboxed? Don't post Buakaw vs Masato II

From what i've seen there are just as many thais outboxing non thais, and even more thais dominating with kicks and knees.

 

[RichardN7]

Any examples of elite thai fighters that are not way past their prime being outboxed? Don't post Buakaw vs Masato II

From what i've seen there are just as many thais outboxing non thais, and even more thais dominating with kicks and knees.

Haha, damn, was gonna post exactly the Buakaw vs Masato rematch
Well, I can't speak for pure kickboxing as I'm more of an MMA fan, but there's lots of supposedly 'good' Muay Thai fighters at the highest levels in MMA getting beat up by boxers left and right. I've seen a few friends' fights in Thailand as well, and it ended the same way (I realize fights in Thailand are not always up to standard (lots of local taxi drivers, old drunks, etc., looking for quick cash) but still.