Miocic said Jon Jones would likely defeat Ngannou

[Leinster Rugby]

I don't know, they will announce it yet. How you I know about the venue lol

So its not confirmed then so maybe stop saying it is. Also if English is your first language then.... damn.

 

[Luffy]

You don't care for me to explain it to you, therefore I cannot explain it to you that would be a waste of my time. All the best.

I do care. I can totally concede if I see it as fair enough. I mean, really. I'm not in here to preserve a point that I think has been shown a solid case against as unlikely. Believe me in that.

 

[Luffy]

So its not confirmed then so maybe stop saying it is. Also if English is your first language then.... damn.

Oh yeah, I wrote "you" instead of "would" when typing "How would I know about the venue?". Sorry, I'll read my answers again before posting, because although English is not my native language (I have never even travelled to any foreign country, I am from Brazil), I just think I am better in English than you.

 

[AstralPanda]

Stylistical nightmare of a fight for ngannou

One of the least hit fighters in mma history

Exceptional distance control, elite kicks, extremely diverse, multi faceted striking repertoire.

Elite wrestling, cardio, fight iq, gets better as the fight goes on.

We seen how difficult it was for ngannous boxing dominant striking to find his range against Gane, who had a more diverse repertoire. He won by wrestling him, but Gane was giving him problems on the feet.

We seen Stipe wrestle the shit out of him for 5 rounds.

Ngannou would've had a punchers chance against one of the hardest fighters to actually hit cleanly in the sports history. It was his worst style matchup on multiple levels by far.

When you really analyze it, it makes the idea that Jones ducked him even more ridiculous. People still believe that, even though ngannou admitted the ufc offered him the fight for 8 million.

If ngannou stayed, he would've lost to Jones and his financial security would've went out the window, which is exactly what coach nicksick said the issue was. They didn't like that he would lose all leverage if he did lose against arguably the best fighter ever. A reasonable concern.

so, he made the smart move. Boxed, made his money and he's set for life.

 

[AstralPanda]

He said that's what he thought was the most likely, but the other side is also a possibility. He said "I think Jon Jones is going to do well, keep his distance, take him to the ground, but if it connects, all over". The fact he said "but if" is basically saying that this scenario is the opposite outcome of what he thinks would happen, but a possible one that has a solid chance of happening.

Like, if Poatan connects with a big punch, Jon Jones would be likely screwed too... But the alternative, Jon Jones keeping well the distance and taking it to the ground is a more likely hone...

Jones fought a long list of guys who could've knocked him out if they landed cleanly.

Almost nobody has actually hit him clean, full torque. You have to get inside of his kicking range, arm length, his masterful framing and then finally his ability to roll with strikes.

Rashad and DC probably landed the cleanest and hardest on him.

People make it sound easy but there's a reason nobody has actually done it, in spite of fighting a long list of heavy hitters.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Stylistical nightmare of a fight for ngannou

One of the least hit fighters in mma history

Exceptional distance control, elite kicks, extremely diverse, multi faceted striking repertoire.

Elite wrestling, cardio, fight iq, gets better as the fight goes on.

We seen how difficult it was for ngannous boxing dominant striking to find his range against Gane, who had a more diverse repertoire. He won by wrestling him, but Gane was giving him problems on the feet.

We seen Stipe wrestle the shit out of him for 5 rounds.

Ngannou would've had a punchers chance against one of the hardest fighters to actually hit cleanly in the sports history. It was his worst style matchup on multiple levels by far.

When you really analyze it, it makes the idea that Jones ducked him even more ridiculous. People still believe that, even though ngannou admitted the ufc offered him the fight for 8 million.

If ngannou stayed, he would've lost to Jones and his financial security would've went out the window, which is exactly what coach nicksick said the issue was. They didn't like that he would lose all leverage if he did lose against arguably the best fighter ever.

so, he made the smart move. Boxed, made his money and he's set for life.

Jon was getting hit repeatedly by old man Stipe who was moving like he was underwater. He also got outstruck by Reyes. The guy has had one genuinely top level non contentious win in the last 7+ years. Why do Jon fans act like we are in 2011?

 

[Luffy]

Jones fought a long list of guys who could've knocked him out if they landed cleanly.

Almost nobody has actually hit him clean, full torque. You have to get inside of his kicking range, arm length, his masterful framing and then finally his ability to roll with strikes.

Rashad and DC probably landed the cleanest and hardest on him.

People make it sound easy but there's a reason nobody has actually done it, in spite of fighting a long list of heavy hitters.

Exactly!!

 

[Leinster Rugby]

Oh yeah, I wrote "you" instead of "would" when typing "How would I know about the venue?". Sorry, I'll read my answers again before posting, because although English is not my native language (I have never even travelled to any foreign country, I am from Brazil), I just think I am better in English than you.

Better 'at' English. As it happens your English is OK, your threads are not.

 

[Chagaev]

He said that's what he thought was the most likely, but the other side is also a possibility. He said "I think Jon Jones is going to do well, keep his distance, take him to the ground, but if it connects, all over". The fact he said "but if" is basically saying that this scenario is the opposite outcome of what he thinks would happen, but a possible one that has a solid chance of happening.

Like, if Poatan connects with a big punch, Jon Jones would be likely screwed too... But the alternative, Jon Jones keeping well the distance and taking it to the ground is a more likely one... No?

You're probably right, but it's just my opinion that Stipe would look more confident in Jon's chances if he said he'd be able to weather the storm and take him down etc.

 

[AstralPanda]

Jon was getting hit repeatedly by old man Stipe who was moving like he was underwater. He also got outstruck by Reyes. The guy has had one genuinely top level non contentious win in the last 7+ years. Why do Jon fans act like we are in 2011?

Jones beat himself against Reyes. Even Rashad, Smith and DC admitted it in the pre fight before he fought Gane. Said he didn't look as motivated. Jones himself admitted a mental lapse.

even then, if you watch the fight closely, Reyes barely hit him throughout the entire fight. Fight was only as close as it was because Jones just didn't throw anything and looked like he was going through the motions.

Only thing he really did well was defense.

That fight was a big reason for his move to hw. Motivation.

And it's a big reason why he doesn't just want to fight anyone at this point of his career as well I feel. No different than dj saying he's only coming back if it's a fight that gets his dick hard.

Jones is definitely slower. His reflexes took a hit. It is a caveat to consider. At the same time, Jones also tends to fight at the speed and range of his opponents. You can get away with much more against Stipe, Jones is the type who will play just on the edge or cusp of what's possible. He also willingly stood up with him just to play on the feet, even when he could've just continued to dominate the grappling.

Every fight you'll see a different version of Jones, against ngannou, you'd see a more multi faceted strategy that exercised more caution and respect for the power. We've all seen what happens when you wrestle ngannou and make him tired, he's nowhere near the same fighter on the feet. All of a sudden that power threat goes out the window.

Ngannou himself isn't exactly fast, especially since he's 38 himself now. He's likely slowed down just as much as Jones has. I don't see him getting past the tool kit of Jones, nor would I bet on a punchers chance against someone who is hit as little and who has the fight iq of Jones.

Aspinall is more of an interesting question because of the speed and youth. That's where we could potentially see that dip in Jon's reflexes being tested.

Ngannou would've gotten smoked. Anyone with fight iq knows it.

 

[Joshua8531]

I do care. I can totally concede if I see it as fair enough. I mean, really. I'm not in here to preserve a point that I think has been shown a solid case against as unlikely. Believe me in that.

Blah Blah I don't buy your consciousnesses as of now due to your misleading interpretations in your original post.

 

[Luffy]

Stylistical nightmare of a fight for ngannou

One of the least hit fighters in mma history

Exceptional distance control, elite kicks, extremely diverse, multi faceted striking repertoire.

Elite wrestling, cardio, fight iq, gets better as the fight goes on.

We seen how difficult it was for ngannous boxing dominant striking to find his range against Gane, who had a more diverse repertoire. He won by wrestling him, but Gane was giving him problems on the feet.

We seen Stipe wrestle the shit out of him for 5 rounds.

Ngannou would've had a punchers chance against one of the hardest fighters to actually hit cleanly in the sports history. It was his worst style matchup on multiple levels by far.

When you really analyze it, it makes the idea that Jones ducked him even more ridiculous. People still believe that, even though ngannou admitted the ufc offered him the fight for 8 million.

If ngannou stayed, he would've lost to Jones and his financial security would've went out the window, which is exactly what coach nicksick said the issue was. They didn't like that he would lose all leverage if he did lose against arguably the best fighter ever. A reasonable concern.

so, he made the smart move. Boxed, made his money and he's set for life.

Yes, actually, Ngannou ducked Jon Jones, since Jon Jones said he is ready for Ngannou and the UFC made an offer and Ngannou didn't accept. Well, I'm not saying Ngannou was scared, or that he was wrong, I think he deserved way more money like many fighters. But actually, if ppl are talking about ducking, Ngannou ducked Jon Jones instead of vice versa, for sure. Jon Jones will fight Tom Aspinall, people acted like him fighting Miocic firstly was a disgrace even though Miocic is one of the best and most decorated fighters. Like Jiri Prochazka said in that interview, today's society is kinda ruined in many aspects.

In a recent interview, it's 20 minutes long, that I've just watched Stipe Miocic said it was unfortunate because he wanted the rematch against Ngannou, that he felt he deserved it. And felt a little sad Gane was to fight Ngannou before, but he said he wanted his title back and he was confident he would defeat Ngannou, he said the fact he went on to that fight way leaner than he uses to was a mistake... And then he said that the opportunity of fight Jon Jones felt just as big, that a win over Jon Jones would leave a big statement. He said he felt better in that match, that the lay off helped his body to rest and his mind to clear off, and it became easier to push in the training with a break... And that he felt his punches got sharper and stronger in comparison to vs Ngannou and that his reflexes got sharper by allowing his body to rest and putting in on a training that felt more productive with the resting time... And that he was excited with the overall reaction to he being the winner, as he said he'd "definitely touch that chin". He did, but the clean shots he landed were two, one of which wasn't that clean (in the first round) and the other one was a clean straight hand in the third round.

Stipe is also a more technical fighter than Ngannou, I think Ngannou wouldn't touch that chin cleanly, maybe he would once, but it's not like it'd absolutely rock Jon Jones. JJ has likely the best chin ever in UFC... Plus, Miocic said (ppl can talk all they want, but Miocic said that in recent interview, so....) he felt his punches were stronger than in all of his other fights... Prime Miocic's punch isn't as strong as Ngannou's but if two of them didn't even wobble Jon Jones, who didn't seem hurt (like I say, he was hurt, but his has a high enough pain tolerance that he keeps his cool) were enough...

 

[AstralPanda]

Jones beat himself against Reyes. Even Rashad, Smith and DC admitted it in the pre fight before he fought Gane. Said he didn't look as motivated. Jones himself admitted a mental lapse.

even then, if you watch the fight closely, Reyes barely hit him throughout the entire fight. Fight was only as close as it was because Jones just didn't throw anything and looked like he was going through the motions.

Only thing he really did well was defense.

That fight was a big reason for his move to hw. Motivation.

And it's a big reason why he doesn't just want to fight anyone at this point of his career as well I feel. No different than dj saying he's only coming back if it's a fight that gets his dick hard.

Jones is definitely slower. His reflexes took a hit. It is a caveat to consider. At the same time, Jones also tends to fight at the speed and range of his opponents. You can get away with much more against Stipe, Jones is the type who will play just on the edge or cusp of what's possible. He also willingly stood up with him just to play on the feet, even when he could've just continued to dominate the grappling.

Every fight you'll see a different version of Jones, against ngannou, you'd see a more multi faceted strategy that exercised more caution and respect for the power. We've all seen what happens when you wrestle ngannou and make him tired, he's nowhere near the same fighter on the feet. All of a sudden that power threat goes out the window.

Ngannou himself isn't exactly fast, especially since he's 38 himself now. He's likely slowed down just as much as Jones has. I don't see him getting past the tool kit of Jones, nor would I bet on a punchers chance against someone who is hit as little and who has the fight iq of Jones.

Aspinall is more of an interesting question because of the speed and youth. That's where we could potentially see that dip in Jon's reflexes being tested.

Ngannou would've gotten smoked. Anyone with fight iq knows it.

Just like he'd so Aspinall. Butthurtz come get it.

Aspinall has a a better chance because of speed and youth, especially with Jon being a bit slower.

But it's really just a guessing game. We barely know anything about aspinall.

We haven't seen his cardio past the first round. We haven't seen him deal with high level wrestling or how he grapples off his back and he's on record saying DC would be a nightmare matchup for him. Haven't seen how he boxes when facing an opponent with a diverse kicking repertoire.

Maybe he answers all those questions with flying colors but we just don't know. Ngannou was once an unstoppable juggernaut too and Stipe made him look like a white belt, dominated him for 5 rounds.

There's a lot of guys who seem unstoppable until they're really tested.

 

[Koya]

I dunno if people interpreted his interview with the Schmoooo dude wrong, but he was asked, paraphrasing, but quite accurate:

"You have been in the cage with both men, who do you think would win, who was more powerful inside the cage?"

Stipe : Well, Francis, you know, he's got great power, he's getting better every fight"

The reporter asked two questions, who would win and who was more powerful. This first answer was to who is more powerful, that is, who has more power in their attacks. Stipe literally singled out this aspect, that he has got great power. No one denies Ngannou is ahead in this aspect. Then Stipe continued :

"With Jones, you know, he is one of the best of all time, if not the best. He's just smart and tricky"

So he said Jon Jones is better than Francis. Well, Francis is more powerful. But Jon Jones is better. But that's not conclusive, I think Stipe might not have been considering better, as in, someone who would win every fight, but in terms of skills. But we don't know... It could be. I mean, he "if not the best".

"But with Francis, you know, he always comes with a game plan and he also has got thunder in his fists"

"So it's a tough fight"

He didn't answer who would win, yet, he highlighted Francis has more power and that all in all, Jon Jones is maybe the best of all times.

"I think Jones would keep his distance, you know, do well, and get him down to the ground, but if Francis connects, all over"


So... That line is his answer, basically. He said he thinks Jon Jones is likely to win, due to his MMA overall awareness and being an overall compete fighter, using his distance with attacks and the ground game, but there's always a chance that Francis may get a solid shot that turns Jones' light out. Basically, "Jon Jones likely wins, but there is a chance Ngannou gets a solid hit and wins".

How did people get to the conclusion Stipe picked Ngannou when he actually said he thinks Jon Jones would win, only that he can't give a sure answer... ... ?

Stipe opinion has no value. He showed up clueless and old as a fossil just to take a payday. Literally wasted everyone's time

 

[Luffy]

Stipe opinion has no value. He showed up clueless and old as a fossil just to take a payday. Literally wasted everyone's time

Rude. He showed because he believed he could win and because he was in good shape.

 

[Koya]

Rude. He showed because he believed he could win and because he was in good shape.

No he wasn't. He showed because he wanted a payday. No one except imbeciles thought he had a chance. Even himself.

 

[Portland8242]

Cliff notes:

He didn't actually say it, OP is just an illiterate moron

 

[Ares Black]

Well, yeah


Ngannou is massively overrated

 

[Luffy]

No he wasn't. He showed because he wanted a payday. No one except imbeciles thought he had a chance. Even himself.

Yes he was. He said he was in a better shape and felt better overall than when fighting Ngannou... That the time off allowed his body to rest and it made the training more productive than the pace he was in before. He said he wanted a rematch against Ngannou and that he was frustrated when Ngannou left the UFC and he said he'd win the belt back... But that fighting Jon Jones brought the same motivation... He is a competitor, he is a full on competitor, he even said he wouldn't even be there to fight Jon Jones of all people if he didn't think he would win the fight. Even when the interviewer would say "people are counting you off but you have a very good chance", he'd cut him quickly and say "actually, I know I'm gonna win", with a serious face that seemed even kinda scary lulz, I think that's his typical poker face.

 

[Luffy]

Cliff notes:

He didn't actually say it, OP is just an illiterate moron

Prove it wrong, bitch