Minotauro has 3 TIMES more Top 10 Wins than Frank Mir

I'm not even going to get into how those "top 10 wins" are not and never were relevant. A man getting finished twice by another man automatically makes him a worse fighter. Case closed.
 
johnsmithbattle said:
I'm not even going to get into how those "top 10 wins" are not and never were relevant. A man getting finished twice by another man automatically makes him a worse fighter. Case closed.
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So Matt Hughes is a worse fighter than Dennis Hallman? Thanks for answering.
 
lapollarecords said:
Tony Lopez and Damian Grabowski ranked higher than Roy Nelson, Carwin and Kharitonov and Brock isn't even ranked? yeah, that system totally makes sense
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What about fightmatrix then

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3 Cain Velasquez
4 Josh Barnett
5 Junior dos Santos
6 Randy Couture
7 Fabricio Werdum
8 Frank Mir
9 Mirko Filipovic
10 Tim Sylvia
11 Alistair Overeem
12 Mark Coleman
13 Bas Rutten
14 Andrei Arlovski
15 Brock Lesnar
16 Daniel Cormier
17 Antonio Silva
18 Mark Hunt
19 Masakatsu Funaki
20 Royce Gracie
21 Semmy Schilt
22 Ken Shamrock
23 Igor Vovchanchyn
24 Pedro Rizzo
25 Shane Carwin

Any Mir fans want to show me a website that ranks Mir higher all time?
 
Rudeboyben84 said:
What about fightmatrix then

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3 Cain Velasquez
4 Josh Barnett
5 Junior dos Santos
6 Randy Couture
7 Fabricio Werdum
8 Frank Mir
9 Mirko Filipovic
10 Tim Sylvia
11 Alistair Overeem
12 Mark Coleman
13 Bas Rutten
14 Andrei Arlovski
15 Brock Lesnar
16 Daniel Cormier
17 Antonio Silva
18 Mark Hunt
19 Masakatsu Funaki
20 Royce Gracie
21 Semmy Schilt
22 Ken Shamrock
23 Igor Vovchanchyn
24 Pedro Rizzo
25 Shane Carwin

Any Mir fans want to show me a website that ranks Mir higher all time?
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doesn't matter what "rankings" you read. the bottom line is Mir FINISHED nog 2x and beat a lot of the same fighters nog beat. most of those rankings are weighed toward pride when it was hyped as the no1 fight org for hw's even though most of them were embarassed the second they got to the ufc and pride's belt was created around a ufc cast-off
 
fiercedragon said:
doesn't matter what "rankings" you read. the bottom line is Mir FINISHED nog 2x and beat a lot of the same fighters nog beat. most of those rankings are weighed toward pride when it was hyped as the no1 fight org for hw's even though most of them were embarassed the second they got to the ufc and pride's belt was created around a ufc cast-off
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Sorry I missed the link you posted with someone ranking Mir higher all time, was it hidden between that insane babbling about all rankings websites being Pride fanboys?

Lets be honest, people like you fail to understand that head to head wins dont count for everything. Do you rank Ian Freeman over Mir? He FINISHED him in a round.

Ill try and find a few more links with all time rankings, Id invite you to do the same but I think you know that im right and will know that you have been proved wrong.
 
fiercedragon said:
doesn't matter what "rankings" you read. the bottom line is Mir FINISHED nog 2x and beat a lot of the same fighters nog beat. most of those rankings are weighed toward pride when it was hyped as the no1 fight org for hw's even though most of them were embarassed the second they got to the ufc and pride's belt was created around a ufc cast-off
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Sherdog is often seen as very pro UFC, certainly not Pride bios,

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/MMAs-AllTime-Heavyweights-35201

Just google all time MMA rankings, things to that nature, you will see that you are in a TINY minority who think Mir is better than Nog.

What you dont realise is that a lot of the other fans saying "MIR IS 2-0 SO HE IS BETTER" are just winding up Nog fans, you seem genuine that you think Mir is a better fighter than Nog, and you probably believe that Berbik is better than Muhammad Ali because he beat him head to head.

If you hold a view 99/100 people say is wrong, realize you are wrong. Also how old are you? I think most of the kids who disrespect legends havnt followed a combat sport long enough to witness the decline of legends. As mentioned Ali lost to Berbik, no one but you would argue that makes Berbik better.
 
Based on some of the responses in here, I guess Vera and Ian Freeman are better fighters than Mir too. As is Josh Barnett.

Come to think of it, at his best, Buster Douglas was better than Mike Tyson at his best.

And Antonio Tarver is clearly superior to RJJ.

And Tommy Morrison is clearly better than George Foreman ever was.

I think I'm doing it right.
 
So when we compare Fedor and Silva, in the end we all agree its inconclusive because they never fought and never will so we can never definitively say one is better than the other.

But Mir and Nog have fought twice and Mir absolutely starched Nog TWICE and he is not the better fighter?
 
Sorry, but when you are claiming victories vs Brendan Schaub, Semmy Schilt, Heath Herring, and Valentijn Overeem as proof of all-time HW awesomeness, then you've already conceded that you've lost the argument.
 
nosoultosell said:
Lol. This.

Frank starched Nog twice.

Its not even debatable that Frank is the better fighter.
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Mike Browne beat Faber twice - he is better than Faber
Hallman beat Hughes twice - he is better than Matt Hughes
Weidman beat Anderson twice - he has had a better career than Anderson Silva
Wanderlei beat Rampage twice - Rampage would never stand a chance against Wanderlei (oops...wait)

A younger Nog beat guys like Werdum and Barnett back in the day. Barnett crushed Mir.


Ian Freeman is better than Mir
Pe De Pano is better than Mir
Vera is better than Mir
Mir is barely better than Dan Christensen (since he barely beat him)

See how wrong that sounds?

Anyway Nog is much slower than he used to be and clearly isn't the same fighter. Watch how fast he is in his 2004 fight with Sergei and then watch how amazingly slow he is today. A guy that Nog soundly beat twice (Herring) almost KOed him cold later in his career. He is clearly not the same.
 
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ShreddinMMA said:
Based on some of the responses in here, I guess Vera and Ian Freeman are better fighters than Mir too. As is Josh Barnett.

Come to think of it, at his best, Buster Douglas was better than Mike Tyson at his best.

And Antonio Tarver is clearly superior to RJJ.

And Tommy Morrison is clearly better than George Foreman ever was.

I think I'm doing it right.
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This. I've said it before, one match up doesn't make a fighter better, its an entire career. Big Nog fared far better against Fedor and many of his other opponents than Mir would have. Fedor would've crushed Mir within a minute.

Mir faced a past prime Nog, plain and simple. (or not at 100%)
 
i definitely think nog has a better resume, however mir still finished him 2 different ways.
 
Kingfarthur said:
This. I've said it before, one match up doesn't make a fighter better, its an entire career. Big Nog fared far better against Fedor and many of his other opponents than Mir would have. Fedor would've crushed Mir within a minute.

Mir faced a past prime Nog, plain and simple. (or not at 100%)
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People don't understand that when you have been fighting since the 90's and have 46 career MMA fights that you aren't going to be in your prime forever. Esp when you have noticeably slowed big time.

You lose a little speed in this sport and you are in trouble. Nog has lost a ton of speed.

Let's see how Mir is faring after 46 MMA fights. He has lost 4 in a row already. Looks like he won't make it close to 46 fights.

Do people consider Jardine better than Liddell or do they realize that Liddell fought him at the end of his career and lost.
 
nosoultosell said:
Lol. This.

Frank starched Nog twice.

Its not even debatable that Frank is the better fighter.
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Some people prefer to look at entire careers rather than just 2 fights.

It's not even debatable than Marcio Cruz is a better fighter than Frank Mir, as he demolished him so soundly nobody even needed to see a rematch.
 
Lol, I love Nog v Mir threads and nog 'hugger's excuses. Nog got embarrassed by Mir....TWICE! Too funny.
 
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