Media Michael jai white need a ego check

[I WILL CUT YOU]

No shit

Its a beginner video

But, if you pay attention to how someone moves, the subtleties of how they twist their body and hips into a punch, how they rotate their shoulders, move their feet, move their head, turn over their punches and even the technique itself

You can see if someone has some skill.

And from various videos, even beyond that one..you can see that he trained boxing in a traditional way, which isnt always common among traditional martial artists.

It doesnt take much. I can watch someone for 1 minute and know if they can fight.

Could say the same thing about you bud.

You supposedly have a bunch of fights and all this experience and I don't think I've ever once heard you say anything insightful..

Lol dude, you can't judge how well someone will do in a fight by them hitting the bag.

You have so many logical fallacies in this thread it's astounding.

Can MJW:

• Can hurt/stop skilled opponents with strikes?
• Can withstand full impact punches?
• Can fight full speed for more than a minute or two?
• Can take a skilled opponent down?
• Can prevent a skilled opponent from taking him down?
• Can submit a skilled opponent with submission grappling?
• Can defend submission attempts from skilled opponents?
• Can dominate skilled opponents who make mistakes/are in bad positions?
• Can remain calm/defend himself after making a mistake or being put in a bad position?
• Can be hurt, injured, or bleeding and still be fighting?

All question marks that have nothing to do with how well he can hit a bag or how pretty his kicks are.

 

[kflo]

How could you possibly know something like that..

How can I know what?

 

[faustian]

You guys have really bad eyes and dont actually have any fight iq if you cant watch even a few minutes of this guy and know hes legit

Rogan said his kicking technique is impeccable. Perfect. That's a guy who was a national level TKD champion

But he's just an actor

If you cant even judge someone's skills by watching them for a few minutes, you have no business even having an opinion.

Dude this is why people don't take your arguments seriously. You sit and preach and talk down to people as if you're some enlightened authority... in the very same thread where earlier you claimed you'd "smoke" Perry and that you'll show us by posting bag work vids in a few months lmao

You're of course entitled to your opinion on anything, but when you start asserting that opinion as some kind of universal undeniable truth based on nothing other than what amounts to "because I said so"... yikes

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

No shit

Its a beginner video

But, if you pay attention to how someone moves, the subtleties of how they twist their body and hips into a punch, how they rotate their shoulders in unison with their entire body, center of gravity, how they move their feet, move their head, turn over their punches and even the technique itself

You can see if someone has some skill.

And from various videos, even beyond that one..you can see that he trained boxing in a traditional way, which isnt always common among traditional martial artists.

Not suggesting his hands are world beater level. Only that it seems apparantly he has more of a respect for pure boxing than you typically see.

It doesnt take much. I can watch someone for 1 minute and know if they can fight.

Could say the same thing about you bud.

You supposedly have a bunch of fights and all this experience and I don't think I've ever once heard you say anything insightful..

You only ever seem to hate on strikers. Maybe you should stick to judo

Maybe you should stick to listing pro fighters that you can beat.


It makes sense that you think a guy with no training could beat Perry, it's straight psychological projection from you.

 

[kflo]

Anyone can

But you're missing the point

Like I said, some of you guys have a very poor ability to read skill

No, I literally could move the same way as he moves in that video. The same footwork, the same pivots, probably better weight distribution. Lol.

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

At the highest level is a relative term. Has he competedxfor a title? Or is he another fighter on the roster with an ok record with a few shining moments? He is an OK fighter and I really dont like him to bite my tongue. There is nothing magical or superhuman or even exceptional about Perry as a striker. If you honestly can look at the UFC HE roster 15 years ago when MJW would be in his prime and not think he would have had moderate success you would have to be smoking UFC dust. He was FAR sharper and probably as strong as Kimbo. Let's be honest here. Tank Abbott is arguably a UFC legend. I can tell you now that MJW with no pro fights has sharper mma striking than Tank. Get real. Dudes like you take the moniker pro-fighter to mean like X-men or something. There are very few 230 pound plus life long trained strikers that fear Mike Perry would batter them. Thats laughable. I would bet on MJW but 52 is kinda old but a younger MJW I would put my car up in a bet vs Perry

Bro you got to be trolling or a special type of stupid to tell me highest level is relative term when you're trying to say a guy who hasn't competed besides touch butt karate competitions in his teens is more legit than a guy who's beat paul Felder and olvieira lol

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Dude this is why people don't take your arguments seriously. You sit and preach and talk down to people as if you're some enlightened authority... in the very same thread where earlier you claimed you'd "smoke" Perry and that you'll show us by posting bag work vids in a few months lmao

You're of course entitled to your opinion on anything, but when you start asserting that opinion as some kind of universal truth based on nothing other than what amounts to "because I said so"... yikes

Secret knowledge fallacy


It's his go-to in many situations, like when he is defending Conor.

 

[faustian]

Even Mickey Gall would beat the shit out of MJW.

Let's not go overboard here

 

[MescalineDreams]

Lol dude, you can't judge how well someone will do in a fight by them hitting the bag.

You have so many logical fallacies in this thread it's astounding.

Can MJW:

• Can hurt/stop skilled opponents with strikes?
• Can withstand full impact punches?
• Can fight full speed for more than a minute or two?
• Can take a skilled opponent down?
• Can prevent a skilled opponent from taking him down?
• Can submit a skilled opponent with submission grappling?
• Can defend submission attempts from skilled opponents?
• Can dominate skilled opponents who make mistakes/are in bad positions?
• Can remain calm/defend himself after making a mistake or being put in a bad position?
• Can be hurt, injured, or bleeding and still be fighting?

All question marks that have nothing to do with how well he can hit a bag or how pretty his kicks are.

Again with the strawman

Although admittedly I should have said "if a fighter has skill" not if they can fight

Never once have I said that MJW Is a great fighter. I've been very clear that hes a great martial artist with very legitimate skills.

In fact, I even said clearly in a prior post that just because someone has skills doesnt necessarily mean it translates to an actual fight.

And that ability to be tough, take a punch and draw out the inner warrior is another thing entirely.

Read my posts before responding please.

At the same time I also said that point kyokushin guys translate well to mma. Their ability to move in and out, manage distance, avoid being hit, counter and such things make them very difficult to find by the average flat footed, plodding fighter.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

I just saw your other post where you said you could smoke perry easily. While I havent personal trained with him I know plenty of skilled people who have and let me be the first to tell you that you would absolutely get your shit pushed in. If you dont believe that I'm 100% sure we could set up a sparring match or a gym fight or bare knuckle boxing.

Mescaline is 6'7, 295lbs and has been boxing at the highest level since the Queensbury rules were invented.

He'd easily ko the prime versions of all the best fighters. Just ask him, he will tell you.

 

[spinup]

No shit

Its a beginner video

But, if you pay attention to how someone moves, the subtleties of how they twist their body and hips into a punch, how they rotate their shoulders in unison with their entire body, center of gravity, how they move their feet, move their head, turn over their punches and even the technique itself

You can see if someone has some skill.

You know what is an excellent way to judge people's fighting skills? An actual video of them actually fighing a real person.

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

Mescaline is 6'7, 295lbs and has been boxing at the highest level since the Queensbury rules were invented.

He'd easily ko the prime versions of all the best fighters. Just ask him, he will tell you.

I already asked him but he seems to be ignoring my question lmao go figure

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Again with the strawman

Although admittedly I should have said "if a fighter has skill" not if they can fight

Never once have I said that MJW Is a great fighter. I've been very clear that hes a great martial artist with very legitimate skills.

In fact, I even said clearly in a prior post that just because someone has skills doesnt necessarily mean it translates to an actual fight.

And that ability to be tough, take a punch and draw out the inner warrior is another thing entirely.

Read my posts before responding please.

So we agree, MJW is not a fighter, let alone pro fighter quality. Great!

 

[MescalineDreams]

Mescaline is 6'7, 295lbs and has been boxing at the highest level since the Queensbury rules were invented.

He'd easily ko the prime versions of all the best fighters. Just ask him, he will tell you.

This is just your version of an ad hominem.

My points were reasonably clear and well argued here.

Nothing to do with me

But like every other time we argue, you conveniently dance around points made / beat around the Bush and perpetuate your own obvious bias.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

This is just your version of an ad hominem.

My points were reasonably clear and well argued here.

Nothing to do with me

But like every other time we argue, you conveniently dance around points made / beat around the Bush and perpetuate your own obvious bias.

You were cooler before the gimmick, mate.

 

[Al Stone]

Bro you got to be trolling or a special type of stupid to tell me highest level is relative term when you're trying to say a guy who hasn't competed besides touch butt karate competitions in his teens is more legit than a guy who's beat paul Felder and olvieira lol

The highest level is a relative term and again I caution you to stop using disparaging terms my way. They are sharp objects that clearly would impale your chump ass. Your question is do I think a a trained 230 pd striker who has trained his entire life to include with the highest training imaginable has a solid chance beating a 170 pound middle of the road fighter that seems to be extremely hittable and got pieced up by Mickey Gall the answer is yes. If you dont like that we can debate it respectfully or you can take that bitch crying about the next man's opinion shit back to Bitch Avenue or wherever it resides. We ain't on the same side of town with that boss? Mmkay

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

This is just your version of an ad hominem.

My points were reasonably clear and well argued here.

Nothing to do with me

But like every other time we argue, you conveniently dance around points made / beat around the Bush and perpetuate your own obvious bias.

Why are you ignoring my post to you? If you can smoke perry easily let's set up some sparring. I can set you up with a place to stay and will pay for gas and food

 

[MescalineDreams]

So we agree, MJW is not a fighter, let alone pro fighter quality. Great!

Nowhere did I ever say he was a fighter. Not once.

I have said he was a great Martial artist with legitimate skill. I took offense to the idea that hes just an actor. It's just disrespectful and ultimately comes off as clueless.

I believe his style and skillset would handle itself well in a fight. He has competed in point kyokushin and traditional martial artists have transitioned well to real fights / mma. He has also sparred with many mma fighters and likely has a very clear picture of what he's dealing with, especially when it comes to a rudimentary, flat footed fighter like Perry.

On paper, he checks all the boxes.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Why are you ignoring my post to you? If you can smoke perry easily let's set up some sparring. I can set you up with a place to stay and will pay for gas and food

If someone wants to fly to vancouver I'm down

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Nowhere did I ever say he was a fighter. Not once.

I have said he was a great Martial artist with legitimate skill.

I believe his style and skillset would handle itself well in a fight. He has competed in point kyokushin and traditional martial artists have transitioned well to real fights / mma. He has also sparred with many mma fighters and likely has a very clear picture of what he's dealing with, especially when it comes to a rudimentary, flat footed fighter like Perry.

On paper, he checks all the boxes.

On paper.



On. Paper.