Media Michael jai white need a ego check

[D 1 Wrestler]

Dude I will leave it at this. I dont know what pseudo science you speak of and if MJW is selling science he is doing it to profit which shows you more why he is not a pro fighter he can make money other ways. I'm talking about the years of trainings

I'm talking the garbage he tries to "teach" pros like that bullshit he was trying to show kimbo

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

It's pretty well known. He frequents many mma gyms. Theres a few vids on YouTube of him with various fighters.

Even the video I just posted with machida where they're flowing.

Obviously kimbo.

People say he's the best ever. Tremendous kicks. Anyone disagreeing is a radical. Sad!



GTFO mate. He talks a mean game and has 0 credibility.

So far the attempts to prove he is a fighter amount to hearsay, ego, a 33 year old video of point karate, and doing a kata with Machida.

Show me he can hit a guy defending and preparing to counter.

Show me he can hit moving targets also striking back at him.

Show me that he can take a punch without folding.

Show me he can remain calm in a bad spot.

Show me that at 52 he has the cardio to last more than 30 seconds.

Show me anything that proves he's not on shitloads of PEDs.




That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.





If he is such a great fighter, show me him fighting.

 

[Al Stone]

mike perry beat paul felder. he beat alex oliveira. he was competitive and relatively even with luque and ponzi as well. You keep acting as if he sucks. That’s impossible given the above. You’re implying that mjw would beat all of those guys easily. Because he’s jacked and has maybe 20 lbs more of muscle and almost the same height. At 52. It’s again a laughable position.

None of the above as solid as I think they are would I wager on beating a 50 pound heavier willing to scrap life long trained striker. I know your analogy and have seen it play out 8n front of my eyes. There is also another analogy to consider. There are ABSOLUTELY people that train religiously at fighting and have their whole life. They are sometimes smart enough to get rich and famous other ways besides punching faces. I do not give them the honor of being considered a professional fighter. They just arent and dont care to be. Perspective is something you have to consider. If you are a 230 pound guy who trained striking slot you would have to see something pretty amazing in a 170 pound man to say, He would definitely beat my ass... Or perhaps you are weak.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

None of the above as solid as I think they are would I wager on beating a 50 pound heavier willing to scrap life long trained striker. I know your analogy and have seen it play out 8n front of my eyes. There is also another analogy to consider. There are ABSOLUTELY people that train religiously at fighting and have their whole life. They are sometimes smart enough to get rich and famous other ways besides punching faces. I do not give them the honor of being considered a professional fighter. They just arent and dont care to be. Perspective is something you have to consider. If you are a 230 pound guy who trained striking slot you would have to see something pretty amazing in a 170 pound man to say, He would definitely beat my ass... Or perhaps you are weak.

Mike Perry is not 170. Honestly you were doing better when you wanted guys on your dick.

 

[Al Stone]

I'm talking the garbage he tries to "teach" pros like that bullshit he was trying to show kimbo

If I remember correctly he was trying to show Kimbo the fundamental of punching through a target. Been a long time. If that's what it was you just may not like his style of teaching but its fact.

 

[Al Stone]

Mike Perry is not 170. Honestly you were doing better when you wanted guys on your dick.

Bruh have a nice day. You are damaged goods. Take time to heal. I have been instructed to leave you alone. That I went to hard on you. That you are gender and soft. I apologize mods

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Bruh have a nice day. You are damaged goods. Take time to heal. I have been instructed to leave you alone. That I went to hard on you. That you are gender and soft. I apologize mods

Dude you got triggered and started calling people names


That's as soft as butter in Arizona in August, mate.

 

[RDUBYA]

I dislike Perry but would bet on him vs MJW in any scenario as I've seen him actually fight and get beat up, fight through and win.

I've seen MJW talk about how good he is at sparring..sometimes..when Bisping isn't boxing him up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again though - Fuck Vlad

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

If I remember correctly he was trying to show Kimbo the fundamental of punching through a target. Been a long time. If that's what it was you just may not like his style of teaching but its fact.

No he was saying how a lot of pro boxers are taught to throw a "flawed" punch by a guy who never been in a boxing match in his life. Kimbo would end him inside 30 seconds

 

[kflo]

Now you switch the narratives upon realization that your logic failed you miserably. If even a 50 year old MJW could walk on the UFC and crush a couple cans what makes you possibly think 15 years ago he wouldnt have been at very least mediocre on the ufc roster? He clearly would have. Perhaps his ground game was not the best but they literally desperately needed talent at HW. If he would have taken Dana's peanuts instead of getting rich acting we wouldn't be having this discussion. You would acknowledge he is simply bigger and Perry isnt a HW. You are that brainwashed by the UFC. Let that sink in

Again, you are basing this on almost NOTHING. He’s a fucking actor and you have literally ZERO footage of him showing how he can fight. You have a couple minutes of no contact exhibition and one local tournament from 33 years ago in a gym against nobodies.

 

[weaselkenievil]

Weve seen what I feel to be lesser karate fighters like wonderboy and machida ( relatively speaking) reach the top of the mountain.

Curious why you feel that why. I don’t need a wall of text, just what criteria you’re judging that on.

 

[MescalineDreams]

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People say he's the best ever. Tremendous kicks. Anyone disagreeing is a radical. Sad!



GTFO mate. He talks a mean game and has 0 credibility.

So far the attempts to prove he is a fighter amount to hearsay, ego, a 33 year old video of point karate, and doing a kata with Machida.

Show me he can hit a guy defending and preparing to counter.

Show me he can hit moving targets also striking back at him.

Show me that he can take a punch without folding.

Show me he can remain calm in a bad spot.

Show me that at 52 he has the cardio to last more than 30 seconds.

Show me anything that proves he's not on shitloads of PEDs.




That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.





If he is such a great fighter, show me him fighting.

Nice strawman. Show me anywhere I suggested he was a great "fighter"

People? Rogan has more understanding of kicking game than almost anyone. If he says someone has impeccable technique, that is very high praise and should be respected. If he says White is a legit kyokushin black belt, then he is. It's that simple.

His opinion holds weight where as I dont think you know much about striking.

Nobody suggested he was a great fighter. Only that hes obviously a very talented martial artist with multiple black belts who has been training his entire life.

How that would translate to a real fight is up for debate. However, what I've seen.. His style would do well, on paper.

Obviously he's old now.

Guys who come from that sort of kyokushin point fighting background have a different sort of movement, footwork, ability to move in and out / manage distance, counter and avoid being hit.

From what little I've seen, he appears to have much better understanding and appreciation for boxing than most traditional martial artists. Which tends to be the weakest aspect of their game.

His hands look pretty good to me.

How someone reacts to being hit, their toughness and such things are obviously another layer. We dont really know, pure speculation.

He could be a warrior deep down or not.

But, without question his skills are very real.

And suggesting hes just an actor and the shit people are saying about him in this thread are just ridiculously disrespectful and ignorant.

At least show the guy some fucking respect.

 

[kflo]

Well hes old

Hes not transitioning to mma

But, he certainly had the style to do so.

Weve seen what I feel to be lesser karate fighters like wonderboy and machida ( relatively speaking) reach the top of the mountain.

From what little I've seen, MJW has much better boxing than most traditional martial artists.

Hes been known to spar with elite mma guys for quite a while.

Obviously its speculation but we have a pretty good frame of reference for elite traditional martial artists succeeding in mma.

Their style is simply hard to find. Hard to catch. Kyokushin karate point fighting just creates a different level of footwork, distance control, countering prowess and ability to avoid being hit.

Lesser karate fighters???? Lol. Based on what exactly?

And maybe it would be helpful if you share what you are basing his “much better boxing” on? Because none of us have seen a single second of him boxing.

 

[Adamant]

He started out with the fake humility jon jones style. But his poker face only lasted that long..

Hes the black Steven Seagal.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Curious why you feel that why. I don’t need a wall of text, just what criteria you’re judging that on.

I wasnt necessarily suggesting MJW is a more elite karate stylist than either of those two.

I think we'd need more of an expert to comment on that. Obviously hes been training karate for like 40 years or whatever.

I would personally rate him a bit higher, just because his technique seems more polished.

But, WB and machida are without question very far from the top of the heap in their respective art. So, presumably a martial artist on a bit higher of a caliber could transition well or better, on paper of course.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

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Nice strawman. Show me anywhere I suggested he was a great "fighter"

People? Rogan has more understanding of kicking game than almost anyone. If he says someone has impeccable technique, that is very high praise and should be respected. If he says White is a legit kyokushin black belt, then he is. It's that simple.

His opinion holds weight where as I dont think you know much about striking.

Nobody suggested he was a great fighter. Only that hes obviously a very talented martial artist with multiple black belts who has been training his entire life.

How that would translate to a real fight is up for debate. However, what I've seen.. His style would do well, on paper.

Obviously he's old now.

Guys who come from that sort of kyokushin point fighting background have a different sort of movement, footwork, ability to move in and out / manage distance, counter and avoid being hit.

From what little I've seen, he appears to have much better understanding and appreciation for boxing than most traditional martial artists. Which tends to be the weakest aspect of their game.

His hands look pretty good to me.

How someone reacts to being hit, their toughness and such things are obviously another layer. We dont really know, pure speculation.

He could be a warrior deep down or not.

But, without question his skills are very real.

And suggesting hes just an actor and the shit people are saying about him in this thread are just ridiculously disrespectful and ignorant.

At least show the guy some fucking respect.

That's where u lose me sometimes and make me question your experience.

Oh he's a beautiful kicker. And having blind faith in someone who has 0 proof to his skill (again, you're using hearsay, no true Scotsman, secret knowledge fallacies) makes me doubt you.

In judo, you prove your worth the belt, the trophy, the medal.

In BJJ you prove your rank through actual be competition, whether in gym only or in sport comp.



I think it's a fallacy to accept claims without a shred of evidence. MJW can kick beautifully, but there is no evidence that translates to him being a good fighter.

 

[Al Stone]

Dude you got triggered and started calling people names


That's as soft as butter in Arizona in August, mate.

Goodbye cupcake. Be thankful the mods saved you. Get bost litch. I mean... Well you know

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

Hes over 50

Expecting him to compete is like expecting Rogan to compete

And I'm pretty sure an older, more mature martial artist doesnt care about proving such petty shit to the average onlooker.

People in the actual community of fighters know hes legit. Who cares about anything else

Ok? What about the other 30 years of his adult life? Joe rogan competed at a high level of TKD and has ton of footage of him rolling against legit dudes . I didnt say anything about him fighting to prove anything to other people. I said if he was really about that life he would compete. As in competing for himself because that's what fighters do. To the point it's a detriment to their own health bc they still want to compete after they've lost their ability to hang. I'm also in the community of fighters and I can tell you in 10 years of training I've literally never heard any fighter comment on the legitimacy of MJW. Probably because it's not like this dude is going around training at a ton of gym.

 

[kflo]

Amazing how many people write off talented martial artists just because they dont compete

Sad

The amount of people calling him just an actor are delusional at this point. Theres no nice way to put it.

Wtf are you talking about? He’s not a fighter. That’s a fact. He IS an actor. And part time marital artist. That’s not disrespectful. It’s what he is. I’m not writing him off. That’s what he is.

What IS disrespectful is calling him a fighter.

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

Exactly we can all only speculate on how we feel others would do. I truly havent seen many fighters with the level of training and skillset MJW have not have any remote success as a pro fighter. There are some dudes like Segal that are 100% psuedo science. MJW actively trains and CONSTANTLY is looking to spar with elite fighters. He doesnt come out bragging who he got the best of and has even admitted who took him to school due to cardio and pace (Ping). Getting in the cage as a fighter requires respect for that commitment. I damn sure dont want that life. Perry is literally on the level that I believe a much bigger well trained actor starched him. Especially a physically gifted beast.

Perry has beaten legitimate competion in the biggest promotion in MMA. You're more than welcome to believe that he would get beat by MJW but you sound foolish saying that without anything to back it up other than this dude has trained a long time, has good technique, and has sparred against actual fighters that we havent seen footage of