MGTOW: Agree or Disagree?

[Revolver]

without sherdog I wouldn't have known what MGTOW was. lmao @ ever wanting to be this. must suck to be ugly.

 

[MMAGA]

All marriages fail, whether through divorce or death.

A couple has a better chance of going the distance if they have completed a prenup. It doesn't mean that you have to get one, but it certainly improves the quality of the relationship in the long run.

The reasons is because it allows a couple to openly discussed the common pitfalls that ruin marriages (finances, faithfulness, attitudes and values, goals and aspirations, etc.,) prior to getting married. Since there are a lot of examples already documented, a lot of the conditions can be cut, pasted, and modified to suit the couple's needs.

It serves as a meditation strategy that allows both parties to discuss these issues, and holds each other accountable to what they reveal; giving each party the right to decide if they want to continue getting married. When a situation gets close to an irreparable infringement, it can serve as an early detection warning and help to pull each other back from the edge.

If the relationship passes the due diligence process, then they would've caught the majority of problems before becoming bigger and more costly issues later on. If it doesn't pass due diligence, then it wasn't going to go the distance anyway.

When a person takes into consideration the inevitable, they would see that a prenup is nothing more than a tool that can be used for estate and family planning.

Death of a spouse = failed marriage?

Sorry, had to stop reading at this point.

 

[Jake the Muss]

Death of a spouse = failed marriage?

Sorry, had to stop reading at this point.

That's up to you.

Whether you agree or not, everything I said still stands.

 

[Revolver]

It really depends on who and where you are.

If you're a single white guy in someplace like California, going MGTOW makes sense because the sexual market, societal expectations, and even the government are flat out against you. This is not hyperbole, it's literally written and documented.

Take that same single white guy and throw him in southeast asia as someone else mentioned, should you stand around like an ice sculpture surrounded by LBFM's that are just dying to treat you like a king? No. No you should not. The debate is settled on this one.

 

[MMAGA]

The reasons is because it allows a couple to openly discuss the common pitfalls that ruin marriages (finances, faithfulness, attitudes and values, goals and aspirations, etc.,) prior to getting married. Since there are a lot of examples already documented, a lot of the conditions can be cut, pasted, and modified to suit the couple's needs.

Full-blown potato.

All of these things can change over time! Do you seriously believe you both will have the same aspirations in your early 20's as when you're in your late 30's? Do you really believe "finances", "attitudes", "values", "goals", "aspirations", "etc.", will remain identical after you have children, after you purchase a home, have a mortgage, lose your job, lose a loved one, fail to achieve specific personal goals, etc.???

Notice I omitted "faithfulness". I base our marriage on the Biblical definition of marriage, in that I am willing to die for my Wife, just as Christ died for His Church. Within Scripture, infidelity should be the ONLY reason for divorce.

 

[blaseblah]

As I understand it after my very thorough 5 minute google search is that they are largely against having any long term romantic (and maybe platonic) relationships with women. So they're not anti-sex, but they're anti the idea of anything resembling commitment to a female. And it's because they think that society is skewed against men and their overall happiness in this age of feminism, particularly those who marry - especially in the event of divorce. They rail against things like diversity programs that increase women's chances at leadership or job opportunities in male dominated fields etc etc etc. And they see, lets say "progressive", ideology as inherently anti-male and male happiness.

And so they masturbate a lot.

Somehow I doubt the dudes who subscribe to this are in short term relationships either.

 

[Jake the Muss]

Full-blown potato.

All of these things can change over time! Do you seriously believe you both will have the same aspirations in your early 20's as when you're in your late 30's? Do you really believe "finances", "attitudes", "values", "goals", "aspirations", "etc.", will remain identical after you have children, after you purchase a home, have a mortgage, lose your job, lose a loved one, fail to achieve specific personal goals, etc.???

Notice I omitted "faithfulness". I base our marriage on the Biblical definition of marriage, in that I am willing to die for my Wife, just as Christ died for His Church. Within Scripture, infidelity should be the ONLY reason for divorce.

A couple can make amendments to the original prenup as time goes on. They will eventually have these discussions, might as well put it in writing. If things get heated, all a couple has to do is set a time to discuss the issues in further detail and write it down so they can leave it on the page and go back to loving each other.

As I said, it's a mediation strategy, which is far more effective at resolving conflict than most dysfunctional forms of communication found in couples who do not exercise this strategy.

Marriage is a legal union between two parties. It allows for the freedom of religion, but being religious isn't a requirement for getting married. If a couple wants more flexibility than what a certain faith demands, they can do that, and their marriage will be more the happier because of it.

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Had to look up MGTOW, always saw it but never knew what it meant.

I think you're giving women way to much power over your life, man. Think of it like this, do men cause you this same feeling that women do? No. So just because you want to fuck em and be with them they cause you to have this negative mindset? Why?

Just like anyone there are people in life that like you and people in life that don't but just because they're the opposite sex we seem to harp on them more.

If you opened a door for some guy and he didn't say thank you, you would forget about it as soon as it was done but if it was an attractive woman guys feel the need to vent about it. Lol.

Just think of women like everyone else, man. Some like you, some don't, some are assholes/cunts and some are absolutely great. Just like MEN.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I mean there are plenty of women who buy into the same egotism but I think you see it most prominently in men, the whole "Alpha" movement is basically an obsession of dominance and ego, men who never advance beyond the level of teenagers morally and glory in it.

True

 

[Jake the Muss]

@MMAGA I forgot to mention that if a couple is already married, it's not to late to do a post nuptial agreement; though it is a much harder process.

I'm not suggesting for you to do that since your faith has your relationships back, but it's worth putting the idea out there.

 

[MMAGA]

You can make amendments to the original prenup as time goes on. You will eventually have these discussions, might as well put it in writing. If things get heated, all a couple has to do is set a time to discuss the issues in further detail and write it down so they can leave it on the page and go back to loving each other.

Marriage is a legal union between two parties. It allows for the freedom of religion, but being religious isn't a requirement for getting married. If a couple wants more flexibility than what a certain faith demands, they can do that, and their marriage will be more the happier because of it.

Not sure if you’re married, or ever been married, but marriage is not this robotic.

Also, marriage may be a “legal union” as defined by states, municipalities, etc., but marriage is a major component discussed in Scripture, and rightfully so. It is an amazing concept which requires amazing dedication, trust, patience, and love...but, not the love we read about in TMZ theses days, rather the sacrificial love described and prescribed in God’s Word.

 

[MMAGA]

@MMAGA I forgot to mention that if a couple is already married, it's not to late to do a post nuptial agreement; though it is a much harder process.

I'm not suggesting for you to do that since your faith has your relationships back, but it's worth putting the idea out there.

No, it's not worth putting that idea out there. If anything, it's detrimental and an outright hindrance to the true spirit of marriage.

 

[Jake the Muss]

Not sure if you’re married, or ever been married, but marriage is not this robotic.

What you are referring to is the common marriage where the husband acquiesces to his wife's demands.

 

[MMAGA]

What you are referring to is the common marriage where the husband acquiesces to his wife's demands.

You hear all that laughter in the background? Yeah, it's a comedy show. It's not real life.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

I can understand guys not wanting to take the risk in relationships/marriage or want to take a break after a bad breakup to recoup.

With groups like MGTOW and MRA's glancing at some of their hangouts half the conversation is guys trying to get validation that they are happy and the other half is rants of bitter racist mysoginists. The only valid complaint I have seen is divorce laws, but the rest is just indiscriminate rage.

 

[Midnighter]

Had to look up MGTOW, always saw it but never knew what it meant.

I think you're giving women way to much power over your life, man. Think of it like this, do men cause you this same feeling that women do? No. So just because you want to fuck em and be with them they cause you to have this negative mindset? Why?

Just like anyone there are people in life that like you and people in life that don't but just because they're the opposite sex we seem to harp on them more.

If you opened a door for some guy and he didn't say thank you, you would forget about it as soon as it was done but if it was an attractive woman guys feel the need to vent about it. Lol.

Just think of women like everyone else, man. Some like you, some don't, some are assholes/cunts and some are absolutely great. Just like MEN.

It has more to do with divorce and child support, the legitimate complaints, at least.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yes absolutely agree. This "race to belong to some minority" is actually a side-effect of turb-individualism, IMO.

And I absolutely agree as well on the divide and conquer thing. It should be blatant to any astute observer. When people are united as "the people", that is when people stand up, block roads when you want to privatise natural ressources or allow company XYZ to delocalise after it benefited 15 years from tax credits, etc. So yes, having a population with 200 groups instead of converging interests is good for business.

And lastly I also agree on the decoy tactics used by big corporations, the media and political parties, for example on transgender bathroom at Exxon. I think the most distasteful example of that is in Canada, where you have a PM (Trudeau) that marches alongside environmental activists, but all the while leaving Oil&Gas conglomerates alone for tar sands exploration in his own country. We live in an age of slogans and image instead of reality. Maybe if Canadians were not so busy posting on Facebook about minority oppression they would see the reality for what it is: a bad joke.

Its not that the issues aren't often significant but more as you say that they have been used to try and create large numbers of competing groups that generally lack a focus on a larger picture.

A lot of the reason why politics has become so partisan and aggressive in recent years isn't IMHO difference, exactly the reverse I'd say, its because the conservative and liberial sides of the establishment have drifted closer and closer together when it comes to economics and foreign policy. Instead you've had social issues played up yet the focus has been much more on tribalism than actually helping the disadvantaged.

Just look at Sherdog and you can see how effective it is, people who equate someone like Hilary Clinton with "the left" when she's nothing of the sort. Why on earth would Wall Street, CNN, etc support someone who was actually looking to upset the economic status quo towards the left?

 

[Louis101]

I don't know what all these acronyms mean so I'm going to say NO do not under any circumstances MTBFNOZ or ESWRETY

 

[Rimbaud82]

Eh no because I am not a massive fucking creep

 

[7437]

I don't get how it's a group anybody would join/call oneself... if you can't or don't want to get laid or live together with a partner, ok live like that, MGTOW is just a silly name and it seems like they just want to blame everything on something else and they make themselves victims, I think that works very well in not attracting any women.

There are positives and negatives to being together and being single. It's a matter of appreciating the positives about it and not become bitter.

It's literally just a group for blaming women and being a victim for not getting women. Yes its unattractive.

Hell, I'm in the middle of getting divorced and dont act like these losers. Life goes on, people are all different. Time for me to do more pushups and get in better shape again. Gotta make myself more attractive.