MGTOW: Agree or Disagree?

[Mr Mojo Lane]

They have points and men should protect themselves and a lot of the observations are correct, but , yeah, i don't really like them personally. At the top, they are some whiny ass losers. I don't like the schadenfreude that they have when they hear about women winding up alone after they get off the cock carousel. Aren't these MGTOWs going to wind up alone also? ..But then again a 65 year old guy in Asia w/ a young girlfriend is not as sad as a 65 year old woman that is trying to do the same

 

[BitFlip]

It's literally just a group for blaming women and being a victim for not getting women. Yes its unattractive.

Hell, I'm in the middle of getting divorced and dont act like these losers. Life goes on, people are all different. Time for me to do more pushups and get in better shape again. Gotta make myself more attractive.

I bet a very low percentage of that group does any workouts, maybe they think it's just vanity, but being in good shape I view as a very nice bonus. The biggest thing is mental wellbeing, it's hard being a whiny bitch if you excert yourself in training. Increased bloodflow in the brain makes you think better. It usually leads to a lot of other good habits when it comes to diet and sleep too.

These people need to look at themselves from an outside perspective, who would want to date or even hang around someone that blames everyone else for their problem. Nobody but yourself is gonna do something about it.

You seem to have a good attitude, it's a learning experience when things don't work out. Be thankful you realized you weren't right for one another before getting kids (that usually works out ok anyway but not what anyone wishes for).

 

[Midnighter]

Eh no because I am not a massive fucking creep

Well...

 

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[Mr Mojo Lane]

Sherdogger goes MGTOW

 

[7437]

I bet a very low percentage of that group does any workouts, maybe they think it's just vanity, but being in good shape I view as a very nice bonus. The biggest thing is mental wellbeing, it's hard being a whiny bitch if you excert yourself in training. Increased bloodflow in the brain makes you think better. It usually leads to a lot of other good habits when it comes to diet and sleep too.

These people need to look at themselves from an outside perspective, who would want to date or even hang around someone that blames everyone else for their problem. Nobody but yourself is gonna do something about it.

You seem to have a good attitude, it's a learning experience when things don't work out. Be thankful you realized you weren't right for one another before getting kids (that usually works out ok anyway but not what anyone wishes for).

It reminds me of a very old thing i read a long time ago. This.
https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/

or if you dont want to read that , watch this and apply it to literally anything in life.

 

[TSO]

All marriages fail, whether through divorce or death.

A couple has a better chance of going the distance if they have completed a prenup. It doesn't mean that you have to get one, but it certainly improves the quality of the relationship in the long run.

The reasons is because it allows a couple to openly discuss the common pitfalls that ruin marriages (finances, faithfulness, attitudes and values, goals and aspirations, etc.,) prior to getting married. Since there are a lot of examples already documented, a lot of the conditions can be cut, pasted, and modified to suit the couple's needs.

It serves as a mediation strategy that allows both parties to discuss these issues, and holds each other accountable to what they reveal; giving each party the right to decide if they want to continue getting married. When a situation gets close to an irreparable infringement, it can serve as an early detection warning and help to pull each other back from the edge.

If the relationship passes the due diligence process, then they would've caught the majority of problems before becoming bigger and more costly issues later on. If it doesn't pass due diligence, then it wasn't going to go the distance anyway.

When a person takes into consideration the inevitable, they would see that a prenup is nothing more than a tool that can be used for estate and family planning.

Making it till death isn't a failure unless one partner caused the others death.

 

[Ying Li]

MGTOW = Incel losers, FBI should monitor these idiots.

 

[Yuval Levy]

The reason why divorce and child custody proceedings favors so heavily against men is so that it deters men that possess the characteristics you described from being deadbeat dads who just want to drop a load off and not take any responsibility for their promiscuity.

I agree that society, especially women, plays a part in the guilt tripping and shaming of men, but diminishing the ego and means of a malignant self-centered immature man is far more equitable than having a nation filled with children being raised by single mothers with no support.

Why should responsible conscientious tax payers have to support both parties poor decisions? MGTOWs are not able to make a case for the bigger picture of things, because they are too busy trying to justify their own selfish existence to have regard for the rest of society.

It's true. Even in most Arab countries that's the case where the courts heavily favor the mother.

 

[Yuval Levy]

I never understood MGTOW so hopefully you guys can clarify it for me. Do they not have sex at all? Or they do it with prostitutes or strictly casual? Are they 100% against relationship? Do they even like women (not just sexually)?

I watched a few MGTOW videos in the past and they all sounded insanely bitter and anti women tbh. Very similar to radical feminists although with a different target. Interesting enough most radical feminists are also lesbians so that makes me wonder about MGTOW's sexuality too. I'm not suggesting they are all gay but I do wonder if they are more open to sexual activities with other men than your average dude. Mostly because they do seem to strongly dislike women (again, not talking about sexually).

It's a shame that men rights activists are usually confused with MGTOW. One side has a lot of valid reasons and arguments the other just sounds hurt.

The guys who practice the actual philosophy of MGTOW are the herbivores of Japan. Those guys totally don't give a shit. No whining. No discussions. Just complete apathy

 

[MaxMMA]

They have a loser mentality there is no doubt about it. However, ignore the logic of the combined experiences these men have with women at your own peril.

All women are different, but they all live life using the same "operating system." Even some of the greatest women I've ever known have become predictable, manageable, and even manipulatable, once you apply the red pill/blue pill ideas in your dealing with them.

 

[Jake the Muss]

Making it till death isn't a failure unless one partner caused the others death.

I don't mean "failure" strictly in the pejorative sense, but I can see how someone might misinterpret and react sensitively to that assertion.

According to google's dictionary, failure:
3. the action or state of not functioning.

Marriage is a legal union that requires two or more parties to be involved to be legally binding. If the union suffers a fatal loss that leaves only one surviving party, it will cause the proper functions of the union to cease and it will result in the dissolution of the marriage.

@panamaican @MMAGA @SalvadorAllende @Phlog

 

[blaseblah]

I don't mean "failure" strictly in the pejorative sense, but I can see how someone might misinterpret and react sensitively to that assertion.

According to google's dictionary, failure:
3. the action or state of not functioning.

Marriage is a legal union that requires two or more parties to be involved to be legally binding. If the union suffers a fatal loss that leaves only one surviving party, it will cause the proper functions of the union to cease and it will result in the dissolution of the marriage.

@panamaican @MMAGA @SalvadorAllende @Phlog

That's some stupid ass logic because it would mean everything is a failure.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

I don't mean "failure" strictly in the pejorative sense, but I can see how someone might misinterpret and react sensitively to that assertion.

According to google's dictionary, failure:
3. the action or state of not functioning.

Marriage is a legal union that requires two or more parties to be involved to be legally binding. If the union suffers a fatal loss that leaves only one surviving party, it will cause the proper functions of the union to cease and it will result in the dissolution of the marriage.

@panamaican @MMAGA @SalvadorAllende @Phlog

If you tagged me to discuss if death = failure of marriage then I agree with the other user. But it is a semantic discussion which I don't find interesting anyways.

 

[Ogata]

In the beginning I was in to the MGTOW but when I watched video after video of them I came to realize that lots of them have whiny attitudes. But some have been burnt real bad in relationships.

That being said they do make a fair point in regards to the divorce laws being unreasonable.

All and all they seem to go after women that are out of their league since they don't look impressive themselves. Hence they engage in superficial relationships themselves which they fail to admit. Yet they choose to color every woman with the same brush.

 

[Jake the Muss]

That's some stupid ass logic because it would mean everything is a failure.

You are confusing the use of the verb with the noun.

Every organism has an inherent predisposition to survive. If it dies, it fails that mission, but that doesn't mean that it's existence was a failure.

A perfectly good marriage would be able to create wealth, offspring, loving memories, a legacy, etc., but if one partner dies, that marriage will cease to exist.

See the difference?

 

[A.S. Deep]

Guys should I go MGTOW? Are women really just a giant waste of money and time?

I mean I could use fleshlight to accomplish same result. Discuss.

MGTOW seems as dumb as making girls your #1 priority in life. You and your mission come first, but don't neglect other aspects such as women. For example, I'd choose writing fiction over women if I had to pick one. But of course the goal is to do both.

 

[blaseblah]

You are confusing the use of the verb with the noun.

Every organism has an inherited predisposition to survive. If it dies, it fails that mission, but that doesn't mean that it's existence was a failure.

A perfectly good marriage would be able to create wealth, offspring, loving memories, a legacy, etc., but if one partner dies, that marriage will cease to exist.

See the difference?

Literally everything will cease to exist. This is a pointless thing to bring up.

 

[Jesus X]

As long as you can stomach Jolibee's, this is solid advice.

lol the jolibees here is like the filipino consulate.

 

[TSO]

I don't mean "failure" strictly in the pejorative sense, but I can see how someone might misinterpret and react sensitively to that assertion.

According to google's dictionary, failure:
3. the action or state of not functioning.

Marriage is a legal union that requires two or more parties to be involved to be legally binding. If the union suffers a fatal loss that leaves only one surviving party, it will cause the proper functions of the union to cease and it will result in the dissolution of the marriage.

@panamaican @MMAGA @SalvadorAllende @Phlog

Yes and no, the union is made with the goal that it only be severed upon death. So the only successful marriage is one that ends in death.