MGTOW: Agree or Disagree?

[tonysmasseuse]

 

[panamaican]

Disagree. Women are not a waste of time or money, bad women are a waste of time and money. The same way a shitty dude is a waste of time and money.

I don't think there's anything wrong with guys taking the time to work on themselves and pursue their passions, becoming men in the process. It only gets weird when they take "becoming a better man" to include "women are the problem".

That's just blame shifting.

 

[SRN]

I never understood MGTOW so hopefully you guys can clarify it for me. Do they not have sex at all? Or they do it with prostitutes or strictly casual? Are they 100% against relationship? Do they even like women (not just sexually)?

I watched a few MGTOW videos in the past and they all sounded insanely bitter and anti women tbh. Very similar to radical feminists although with a different target. Interesting enough most radical feminists are also lesbians so that makes me wonder about MGTOW's sexuality too. I'm not suggesting they are all gay but I do wonder if they are more open to sexual activities with other men than your average dude. Mostly because they do seem to strongly dislike women (again, not talking about sexually).

It's a shame that men rights activists are usually confused with MGTOW. One side has a lot of valid reasons and arguments the other just sounds hurt.

 

[SRN]

And answering your question TS, no you shouldn't. Work on yourself, work hard and be responsible, read more than you watch, train more than you eat, dress like a grown-up, be respectful and have a good attitude towards life. A quality girl will always be there waiting for a quality guy but you have to be one for her to be interested in you.

 

[Threetrees]

I never understood MGTOW so hopefully you guys can clarify it for me. Do they not have sex at all? Or they do it with prostitutes or strictly casual? Are they 100% against relationship? Do they even like women (not just sexually)?

I watched a few MGTOW videos in the past and they all sounded insanely bitter and anti women tbh. Very similar to radical feminists although with a different target. Interesting enough most radical feminists are also lesbians so that makes me wonder about MGTOW's sexuality too. I'm not suggesting they are all gay but I do wonder if they are more open to sexual activities with other men than your average dude. Mostly because they do seem to strongly dislike women (again, not talking about sexually).

It's a shame that men rights activists are usually confused with MGTOW. One side has a lot of valid reasons and arguments the other just sounds hurt.

As I understand it after my very thorough 5 minute google search is that they are largely against having any long term romantic (and maybe platonic) relationships with women. So they're not anti-sex, but they're anti the idea of anything resembling commitment to a female. And it's because they think that society is skewed against men and their overall happiness in this age of feminism, particularly those who marry - especially in the event of divorce. They rail against things like diversity programs that increase women's chances at leadership or job opportunities in male dominated fields etc etc etc. And they see, lets say "progressive", ideology as inherently anti-male and male happiness.

And so they masturbate a lot.

 

[bowened]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they also known as "blue pill" ?

No, I believe that’s the erectile dysfunction community.

 

[TSO]

TS.. just don't bang for the sake of banging and wait until you meet someone you really connect to and you will be fine. Better than 95% of men.
Also don't watch porn.

Never was much of a porn fan, but I hear this from a lot of people these days. What harm would you say watching porn has on someone?

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Never was much of a porn fan, but I hear this from a lot of people these days. What harm would you say watching porn has on someone?

It has to do with fucking your brain chemicals balances and stuff. It triggers a lot of reactions and can even provoke erectile dysfunction when you are with another person.
Similar to eating a lot of sugar. It can be addictive and generate some sort of dependence.
From what I see there are people who become really addict to that and others (like you) who luckly don't care much.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

And I just wanted to add that we are going to see an increasing number of these weird groups.

People are not going to like this point of view but I think it is the consequence of living in globalised,consumerist, multicultural societies. People just need more, they need to belong, and to feel as part of a community. When family values are gone, no religion or sense of belonging as well, they create all these weird groups, if they are not de facto part of a possible group, i.e. being part of an ethnic minority.

And yeah, straight white guys in Murrca are certainly the left overs of this "group race" so it is only natural that they also try to form thei own group.

I blame turbo-capitalism for this as well as media and political parties that have been reenforcing this artificial division of society for a good decade now.

In the end it has the effect of making the corporate world even more powerful.

I'd say a bit issue is that linked into consumerism has been a push towards individualism to ever greater degrees. That tends to mean that the groups which get endorsed by the establishment(either on the liberal or conservative sides) tend to be those which push personal victimhood that plays into ego. Interest groups become less about highlighting the disadvantaged and more about trying to cast everyone as disadvantaged in some fashion, many competing victimhoods.

Really I think its classic divide and rule tactics, it ensures that the political battlegrounds in the media are mostly irrelevant to the interests of the ultra wealthy. Exxon doesn't care whether they need to put in a transgender bathroom or not in their HQ.

 

[TSO]

I had to look the term up, here in Sherdog it's called "incel" and not all woman are made equal, there's great quality woman out there, if you leave the basement.

No, the two terms are quite different.

InCel is someone who's "Involuntarily celabate" so can't get any.

MGTOW is supposed to be someone who just doesn't want to deal with women.

Both are completely retarded.

 

[Threetrees]

It has to do with fucking your brain chemicals balances and stuff. It triggers a lot of reactions and can even provoke erectile dysfunction when you are with another person.
Similar to eating a lot of sugar. It can be addictive and generate some sort of dependence.
From what I see there are people who become really addict to that and others (like you) who luckly don't care much.

I mean I think the empirical evidence is actually not particularly strong, except for the addiction part

But intuitively at least I agree with you

 

[SalvadorAllende]

I mean I think the empirical evidence is actually not particularly strong, except for the addiction part

But intuitively at least I agree with you

Honestly I haven't done a lot of research.
Like with almost everything (from diet, to workouts, etc) I think the best way is to try it myself. I'm not in the MGTOW crap but tried Nofap (not hardcore mode, I still have sex with women) and its pretty awesome at least for me. But everyone is different.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I'd say a bit issue is that linked into consumerism has been a push towards individualism to ever greater degrees. That tends to mean that the groups which get endorsed by the establishment(either on the liberal or conservative sides) tend to be those which push personal victimhood that plays into ego. Interest groups become less about highlighting the disadvantaged and more about trying to cast everyone as disadvantaged in some fashion, many competing victimhoods.

Really I think its classic divide and rule tactics, it ensures that the political battlegrounds in the media are mostly irrelevant to the interests of the ultra wealthy. Exxon doesn't care whether they need to put in a transgender bathroom or not in their HQ.

Yes absolutely agree. This "race to belong to some minority" is actually a side-effect of turb-individualism, IMO.

And I absolutely agree as well on the divide and conquer thing. It should be blatant to any astute observer. When people are united as "the people", that is when people stand up, block roads when you want to privatise natural ressources or allow company XYZ to delocalise after it benefited 15 years from tax credits, etc. So yes, having a population with 200 groups instead of converging interests is good for business.

And lastly I also agree on the decoy tactics used by big corporations, the media and political parties, for example on transgender bathroom at Exxon. I think the most distasteful example of that is in Canada, where you have a PM (Trudeau) that marches alongside environmental activists, but all the while leaving Oil&Gas conglomerates alone for tar sands exploration in his own country. We live in an age of slogans and image instead of reality. Maybe if Canadians were not so busy posting on Facebook about minority oppression they would see the reality for what it is: a bad joke.

 

[MMAGA]

Sometimes MGTOWs say something that is interesting, but for the most part it is men who refuse to look at and integrate the shadow aspects of their personality.

Their greatest contribution is their commentary on the divorce system and the life for men after a separation. The problem is that most of them do not have the initiative to take that knowledge and negotiate it in a prenuptial agreement, so they end living a isolated detached meaningless lifestyle.

If you have a prenup, you’re simply anticipating things going wrong, and will probably never fully devote yourself to your spouse, much less sacrifice yourself for her.

Guess what!? Things will always go wrong in a marriage. It’s how you work things out that will strengthen the partnership.

I don’t understand how you can read vows at your wedding, saying “till death do us part”, “in sickness and health”, etc., but then go in and throw a bunch of conditions at your partner!?

 

[kenetics]

No! Date a Philipena girl, much better than Western women. They’ll bang you three times then clean your apartment and restock your fridge lol

Then they move all their families in and take you're money. No thanks

 

[kenetics]

If you have a prenup, you’re simply anticipating things going wrong, and will probably never fully devote yourself to your spouse, much less sacrifice yourself for her.

Guess what!? Things will always go wrong in a marriage. It’s how you work things out that will strengthen the partnership.

I don’t understand how you can read vows at your wedding, saying “till death do us part”, “in sickness and health”, etc., but then go in and throw a bunch of conditions at your partner!?

Because you have to be realistic. Not going to lose my money if my significant other decides to end the marriage for whatever reason.

 

[FyrFytr998]

Guys should I go MGTOW? Are women really just a giant waste of money and time?

I mean I could use fleshlight to accomplish same result. Discuss.

Well if you're gonna MGTOW, might as well upgrade all the way to a Real Doll for the sexy time.

 

[Midnighter]

All men should go mgtow except for me.

 

[BornOnMonday]

Love me some GMOTW

 

[Jake the Muss]

If you have a prenup, you’re simply anticipating things going wrong, and will probably never fully devote yourself to your spouse, much less sacrifice yourself for her.

Guess what!? Things will always go wrong in a marriage. It’s how you work things out that will strengthen the partnership.

I don’t understand how you can read vows at your wedding, saying “till death do us part”, “in sickness and health”, etc., but then go in and throw a bunch of conditions at your partner!?

All marriages fail, whether through divorce or death.

A couple has a better chance of going the distance if they have completed a prenup. It doesn't mean that you have to get one, but it certainly improves the quality of the relationship in the long run.

The reasons is because it allows a couple to openly discuss the common pitfalls that ruin marriages (finances, faithfulness, attitudes and values, goals and aspirations, etc.,) prior to getting married. Since there are a lot of examples already documented, a lot of the conditions can be cut, pasted, and modified to suit the couple's needs.

It serves as a mediation strategy that allows both parties to discuss these issues, and holds each other accountable to what they reveal; giving each party the right to decide if they want to continue getting married. When a situation gets close to an irreparable infringement, it can serve as an early detection warning and help to pull each other back from the edge.

If the relationship passes the due diligence process, then they would've caught the majority of problems before becoming bigger and more costly issues later on. If it doesn't pass due diligence, then it wasn't going to go the distance anyway.

When a person takes into consideration the inevitable, they would see that a prenup is nothing more than a tool that can be used for estate and family planning.