MGTOW: Agree or Disagree?

TSO said:
Yes and no, the union is made with the goal that it only be severed upon death. So the only successful marriage is one that ends in death.
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Yeah, I can't wait for my wife to die. That way I can finally call our marriage a success.

Makes sense.
 
There are some aspects of the MGTOW movement that make sense. Reforming custody and divorce laws being the most prominent things I can think of. Other aspects of the movement just seem like incel bullshit.
 
Youtube started suggesting these videos to me so I watched a couple. They start off right but go nuts. Improve yourself to be the best version of yourself you can be and let women come to you instead of chasing them (and letting them run you). Good. Agree.

Then they start saying to treat women as transactional and never have a family, like the one that spawned you. I mean if your goal is that, then go for it. Everything after having kids is a sacrifice that much is true, but that's not a negative. The comments on the videos have to be coming from incels or damn close to it. Some straight up women haters in there (which I half understand but that's no way to live)
 
cincymma79 said:
Youtube started suggesting these videos to me so I watched a couple. They start off right but go nuts. Improve yourself to be the best version of yourself you can be and let women come to you instead of chasing them (and letting them run you). Good. Agree.

Then they start saying to treat women as transactional and never have a family, like the one that spawned you. I mean if your goal is that, then go for it. Everything after having kids is a sacrifice that much is true, but that's not a negative. The comments on the videos have to be coming from incels or damn close to it. Some straight up women haters in there (which I half understand but that's no way to live)
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Damn wtf were you searching for that MGTOW videos started getting suggested to you?
 
Satsui Ryu said:
Damn wtf were you searching for that MGTOW videos started getting suggested to you?
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No clue. I do ask reddit or random movie clips. These just started popping up. Now that I've clicked on a few it thinks I want this. I've clicked the do not show thing a few times and they keep coming back. It also thinks I'm black because it feeds me black commentators, but it's a different perspective and I do enjoy a few of those channels.
 
palerider500 said:
Guys should I go MGTOW? Are women really just a giant waste of money and time?

I mean I could use fleshlight to accomplish same result. Discuss.
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I say go for it. The only real tenets of MGTOW are don't get married/common law with a woman and expose yourself to the whims of the "family" courts. It's just about protecting yourself legally.

...and yes women are a massive waste of time and money. My favorite waste of time and money in fact :-) Gotta do something with your spare time and dough... I can think of much worse ways to spend it.
 
There are plenty of good women out there.
Plenty of bad ones too.

Like most of us, you'll learn as you go.
Make your mistakes and learn.

But most importantly, work on yourself and eventually things will line up.

I agree with the state of things in the event of a divorce. The deck is stacked against men, and that won't change.

However, that's no reason to not pursue a meaningful relationship.

As has pointed out previously, location helps.
Some women value being in a relationship, building a family and a future together while others do not.

I'll leave it to you to figure out which ones are worth the pursuit.

I'd suggest avoiding females that are up to their necks in debt. If you get tangled up with one of them long term, you'll be dealing with that for a long time.

* Just an observation from seeing previous coworkers getting tied up with women that seemed to share some common denominators.

There are plenty of women out there that have their shit together. If you do too, then you should be selective enough to find a girl that's at your level.

If YOU don't have your shit together, then go work on yourself.

But you shouldn't just check out, and live your life with a flesh light.
That would have to be a pretty sad and unfullfilling existence.
 
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Mr Mojo Lane said:
Interesting. How about if their shadow is a guy that just wants to get laid and not have the responsibility. Guys are usually guilted into marriage by society. family, etc. How about if his shadow is someone that is selfish, self-centered, see women mostly as sex objects especially since women are no longer seen as wives or mothers, etc
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To be fair dude, if you look at the current state of social media, Instagram, Tinder, Only Fans etc, women aren't exactly putting themselves out there as the "wives or mothers" type these days.

Slut culture is celebrated these days. More power to them but you can't have things both ways. If women choose to sleep around with a bunch of guys through their 20's and then can't find a guy who wants to settle down and play house with them once they are in their 30's that's on them.

Personal choice, personal responsibility.
 
I've mention this before, my problem with mgtow is the term sound like empowering men to maximize their potential/happiness in living their lives, but whenever I see post about mgtow, it's always about how bad it is for men to be with women.
 
Disagree. There are good women out there. Keep looking in the same places and you find the same things
 
Yuval Levy said:
For a bunch of guys who claim to completely disavow women, they sure rant about them a lot.
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Where on earth did you hear that? Most MGTOW seem to be divorced and will never marry or get taken to the cleaners through the courts again but they still date... except the MGTOW monks who don't even date anymore but hey, their choice I guess.
 
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