Mexico, a Superpower?

[Cold Front]

Agreed....200+ years ago the Mexicans were saying

"what kind of pissant country is America....and who do all these gringos that keep showing up think they are ?"

Too bad Mexico wasn't a country two hundred years ago, and its territories had less than half the population in 1820 and only a third of the population when they fought almost three decades later.

 

[Cold Front]

China is certainly a poster child for dramatic change. The world has not seen the type of changes that are occurring now though on a global scale.

I foresee a global feudal society with the wealth held by a tiny minority of people within the next 100 years.

Time will tell!

Yes, but if global feudalism happens, the whole idea of a global superpower will be pass

 

[IDL]

Yes, but if global feudalism happens, the whole idea of a global superpower will be pass

 

[Funkasaurus]

China and India both have ten times the population that Mexico has.

Japan is around the same size as Mexico, but much, much richer - and there's no evidence Mexico has what it takes to close the gap, unless Japan stops breeding altogether.

In the next hundred years, a lot could happen.

A hundred years ago, these were the largest national economies on the planet, according to the economist Angus Maddison.

1. United States

2. China

3. Germany

4. Russia

5. U.K.

6. India

7. France

8. Italy

9. Japan

10. Spain

*****

And today?

1. United States

2. China

3. Japan

4. Germany

5. France

6. U.K.

7. Brazil

8. Russia

9. Italy

10. India

******

So there's been some switching of names and some changes to the list, but there's also been a strong consistency we should expect to continue.

heh, how about you guys look ~70 years into the past instead?

When Germany was on it's knees after WW1 and Japan was a broke wasteland after WW2

 

[Cold Front]

heh, how about you guys look ~70 years into the past instead?

When Germany was on it's knees after WW1 and Japan was a broke wasteland after WW2

Yeah, and within twenty years they were back in the mix, selling VWs and Toyotas to the conquerors.

Human capital. Very important. You might want to know what it is the next time you try to make a prediction.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Too bad Mexico wasn't a country two hundred years ago, and its territories had less than half the population in 1820 and only a third of the population when they fought almost three decades later.

Who are these pissant posters.....and why do stroll around with their e-chest needlessly puffed up?

They declared their independence from Spain about 200 years ago shmuck. But that's not the point.....point is that shit changes... eventually it always does. Countries come and go , and on a long enough timeline ( probably more than 100 years) we will too.

But don't let me stop you from ignoring an observable phenomenon in favor of parsing over minutiae. Carry on

 

[Cold Front]

Who are these pissant posters.....and why do stroll around with their e-chest needlessly puffed up?

We're the informed ones who try to keep the ignoramuses in line when their drivel-to-sense ration starts to blow up to unseemly proportions.

They declared their independence from Spain about 200 years ago shmuck. But that's not the point.....point is that shit changes...

Wow, what an insight. "Shit changes." Who can argue with that? Apparently, if Mexico was a country two hundred years ago and thought of the larger America as a "pissant country," then even the history books are changing - and not for the better.

eventually it always does. Countries come and go , and on a long enough timeline (probably more than 100 years) we will too.

I have no doubt that things will change, and even the USA will one day seem as ancient to people as the Roman Republic does to us today. I also have little doubt that Mexico's rise to superpowerdom is not a conceivable route by which we will reach that destination.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

We're the informed ones who try to keep the ignoramuses in line when their drivel-to-sense ration starts to blow up to unseemly proportions.



Wow, what an insight. "Shit changes." Who can argue with that? Apparently, if Mexico was a country two hundred years ago and thought of the larger America as a "pissant country," then even the history books are changing - and not for the better.



I have no doubt that things will change, and even the USA will one day seem as ancient to people as the Roman Republic does to us today. I also have little doubt that Mexico's rise to superpowerdom is not a conceivable route by which we will reach that destination.

What exactly was the drivel? Have we not come a lot farther than anyone likely imagined we would since we started making incursions into their sovereign territory? Is That an incorrect supposition?

That was the crux of my post.....that you , nor anyone else really has much of an idea how things are gonna shake out. You can sit there and smarmily posit on it like your guess'es are facts that just haven't happened yet, but guess what.....its still just a guess.

 

[Cold Front]

What exactly was the drivel?

That "ANYTHING" can happen in a hundred years, and basing that conclusion on a rather shaky knowledge of history.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

That "ANYTHING" can happen in a hundred years, and basing that conclusion on a rather shaky knowledge of history.

you've got me confused with someone else. When did I say " anything can happen"? ( hint- I didn't). What's my shakey grasp on history? We were much closer in terms of influence and power to Mexico at one point than we are now. Did you know a Spanish contingent was sent to look for and stop Lewis and Clarke as they were considered trespassers? Out dominance is a relatively new thing.

You haven't really said much but..." der de der you don't know nothing" and quite frankly your needlessly aggressive right out of the gate posture in this thread is boring and tired .

Good day sir.

 

[Cold Front]

you've got me confused with someone else. When did I say " anything can happen"? ( hint- I didn't).

You didn't agree with Rocky Lockridge's post? I must have you confused with another Al Gorithm.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The entire premise of "Mexico will be a superpower that will rival the US" is absolutely retarded if one is thinking of military strength like that idiotic article is.

The US is the biggest empire in the history of the world thanks to the massive amount of violence it inflicts on poorer countries with its military.

Mexico will in no way do this.

However, the idea that they could be an economic and political power is feasible. As mentioned before, their per capita GDP is right there with some of the poorer Eastern and Southeastern European countries. If they reach Poland, Greece or even Cyprus levels, they'd be in the Top 10 in GDP.

 

[Cold Front]

The entire premise of "Mexico will be a superpower that will rival the US" is absolutely retarded if one is thinking of military strength like that idiotic article is.

The US is the biggest empire in the history of the world thanks to the massive amount of violence it inflicts on poorer countries with its military.

Mexico will in no way do this.

Yeah, that's right. Mexicans are far too busy killing each other right now to worry about killing other people.

However, the idea that they could be an economic and political power is feasible.

Only if you don't know anything about economics and human capital.

As mentioned before, their per capita GDP is right there with some of the poorer Eastern and Southeastern European countries. If they reach Poland, Greece or even Cyprus levels, they'd be in the Top 10 in GDP.

Yeah, but when was the last time anyone thought Poland, Greece or Cyprus or even the damn Italians had even a remote chance of reaching superpowerdom?

Mexico's moderate level of wealth is an obvious byproduct of its proximity to the United States and some mighty fine tourist locales.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Yeah, that's right. Mexicans are far too busy killing each other right now to worry about killing other people.

Before the cartel violence hit less than 10 years ago Mexico wasn't invading countries and setting up military bases.

Meanwhile, the US has been doing that since it got founded.

Only if you don't know anything about economics and human capital.

Ah yeah, like that economic theory that says that things don't change in 100 years.

Yeah, but when was the last time anyone thought Poland, Greece or Cyprus or even the damn Italians had even a remote chance of reaching superpowerdom?

You really are too dumb to be for real.

If by "superpowerdom" you mean "military empire" than no, I already said it's not happening. If by superpowerdom you mean a stable, rich society, than yes, Italy is already there.

Just about any measure you want to use, Italy is there (towards the bottom, yes) along the rest of the developed world. Mexico could be there and along with its greater size, they could become an even more important player in economics and politics.

 

[Cold Front]

Before the cartel violence hit less than 10 years ago Mexico wasn't invading countries and setting up military bases.

Neither was North Korea. Most people don't believe that's because the Hermit Kingdom lacks the emotional capacity for organized violence.

It's difficult to get in the habit of invading your neighbors militarily when your large northern border has the world's premier military power on the other side of it, and your southern border is a geographical bottleneck.

Meanwhile, the US has been doing that since it got founded.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Evil, evil, wherever you see the Stars and Stripes.

Ah yeah, like that economic theory that says that things don't change in 100 years.

It's not a theory. It's just observation.

If by "superpowerdom" you mean "military empire" than no, I already said it's not happening. If by superpowerdom you mean a stable, rich society, than yes, Italy is already there.

Hahaha ! So like, Switzerland, the superpower. Monaco, the superpower. Singapore, the superpower.

And here I thought Superpower actually referred to something somewhat coherent.

Just about any measure you want to use, Italy is there (towards the bottom, yes) along the rest of the developed world. Mexico could be there and along with its greater size, they could become an even more important player in economics and politics.

You don't get out of the U.S. much, do you?

 

[Selukrid612]

They will for certain take California, otherwise known as Mexi-Cali lots of good food at every corner so not all is bad. :icon_chee

They are never taking any US states, it's just not plausible. Militarily it cannot be done and the US would never willingly cede them. And honestly, regardless of how Mexican certain areas may become, they will always be distinctly American.

 

[SenorGuillen]

I cannot wait for that day.

 

[tkotom]

They are never taking any US states, it's just not plausible. Militarily it cannot be done and the US would never willingly cede them. And honestly, regardless of how Mexican certain areas may become, they will always be distinctly American.

California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas were all Mexican lands that were annexed.

Penultimate to that they were lands of the vanquished natives.

 

[7437]

Mexico is actually a middle-income nation with fairly high indexes of human development. They're about on par with a lot of Eastern and Southern European nations when it comes to this.

Add to this their massive size (130 million) and they could really be a force.

No. Mexico has a median income of 3806. They are one of the poorest countries. This wikilink shows the median income by countries, it is sourced, but in local currencies so you have to crunch the conversion if you dont believe them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income

Their economy is hilariously top loaded, as you can see by looking at their per capita GDP, which sits at a decent 15.6k. They do have a per capita above Bulgaria and Romania, but that is it.

 

[7437]

What exactly was the drivel? Have we not come a lot farther than anyone likely imagined we would since we started making incursions into their sovereign territory? Is That an incorrect supposition?

That was the crux of my post.....that you , nor anyone else really has much of an idea how things are gonna shake out. You can sit there and smarmily posit on it like your guess'es are facts that just haven't happened yet, but guess what.....its still just a guess.

I have a pretty good guess. The same groups that were powerful 100 years ago. And today. Its pretty easy to see since 100 years ago there was a fairly well known war, and the major powers fought. Britan, France , Italy, Russia, and the USA on one side. Germany, the Austrian-Hungarian empire, and the Ottomans on the other. China and Japan were on the side of the allies, but had a more limited involvement as they were busy with each other.

If you look really closely, these are most of the major players today. The sides change, but it is the same nations that have been in control for a long time.