Merkel Orders New Lockdown: 82 Million people directly affected

[trac209]

You most certainly can stop a virus. You're confusing "I don't want to" with "I can't".

COVID-19 requires close human contact to transmit, mainly through aerosol droplets. If you reduce social interactions and population mobility, infection rates goes down. Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, Thailand and Hong Kong all crushed their first and second wave. Just because you're failing, does not mean it cannot be done. It has been done multiple times already, but you're too chickenshit to deal with the short term pain. Instead, you're prolonging your suffering needlessly.

Even during the 1918 pandemic, regions that went into early lockdown and followed strict quarantine rules had the best economic recovery. You cannot get back to normal with a raging pandemic.

This isn’t the Spanish flu. This is virus that is decimating nursing homes and the rest of the “free” world is paying the price .

 

[Misanthropist]

Isn’t France and UK twice worse than Germany yet moving on with their lives like the US? It doesn’t make sense.

 

[Paradigm]

Lots of countries are doing better b/c without locking down but still not giving up, such as Canada and Japan.

Not sure why you're focusing on belgium. Why not Taiwan?

Perhaps because he lives in Belgium and not Taiwan?

 

[mkess101]

I thought the point of masks + extensive testing was to avoid the need for lockdowns. Are German's not wearing their masks?

We have a mask mandate in my state and people do wear them to the store. But...not to the giant house parties or packed bars that ignore the guidelines on congregating LOL.

So...we now are the worst state in the whole country in terms of trajectory. We are breaking records every day not just for cases but for hospitalizations too. Good times...

 

[Scerpi]

So?

The population density is exponentially higher than most places in the entire world and sees more international traffic in a day than most places see in a year.

That may be true.. but it's not the reason NYC had one of the highest death in the world.

Cuomo forced nursing homes to take covid patients, while leaving other facilities unused. He directly exposed the highest risk population to the virus and the elderly and sick paid the price.

The state continues to pay the price because Cuomo is a fucking coward and refuses to responsibility for his actions and is afraid to have more deaths on his hands if he eases up.

And yet, he claims "victory" over covid... lol

Dude is a clown

 

[Rational Poster]

That may be true.. but it's not the reason NYC had one of the highest death in the world.

Cuomo forced nursing homes to take covid patients, while leaving other facilities unused. He directly exposed the highest risk population to the virus and the elderly and sick paid the price.

The state continues to pay the price because Cuomo is a fucking coward and refuses to responsibility for his actions and is afraid to have more deaths on his hands if he eases up.

And yet, he claims "victory" over covid... lol

Dude is a clown

It's certainly a a reason for NYC having one of the highest death rates.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Isn’t France and UK twice worse than Germany yet moving on with their lives like the US? It doesn’t make sense.

France just announced a lock down for the whole of November, where you need to fill in a form to leave the house.

In the UK we have a tier system at the moment, but Wales have had a short lockdown period for 2 weeks which they call a circuit breaker, it wouldn't shock me if we did the same before Christmas.

 

[12ga.]

Study Japan. They have heard immunity because they had no legal authority to lock down...kids continued to school, yutes raving, and attenuated virus for the vulnerable...only 1600 dead. Granted they are fastidious about hygiene but so are germans. All we are doing with masks/lockdowns is making it worse.

 

[12ga.]

That may be true.. but it's not the reason NYC had one of the highest death in the world.

Cuomo forced nursing homes to take covid patients, while leaving other facilities unused. He directly exposed the highest risk population to the virus and the elderly and sick paid the price.

The state continues to pay the price because Cuomo is a fucking coward and refuses to responsibility for his actions and is afraid to have more deaths on his hands if he eases up.

And yet, he claims "victory" over covid... lol

Dude is a clown

Not just Cuomo the problem is we didnt lock down the HC workers in those facilities in the west.

We locked down entirely the wrong ppl and allowed vectors to go about business as usual among the vulnerable
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...witter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

The UCLA team created maps of movement and found that on average each nursing home is connected to seven others through staff movement. Limiting nursing home employees to one facility could mean fewer COVID-19 infections — but that would hurt the workforce of people who say they work multiple jobs because of low wages.


More than 84,000 residents and staff of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities have died from COVID-19 across the U.S., representing 40% of all coronavirus fatalities in the country, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's most recent analysis. (Kaiser Health News is an editorially independent program of the foundation.)

 

[badascan]

Uh oh, the hospitals again...

Not once has any public figure mentioned being conscious of their immune system, both in strengthening it and in not weakening it...how about that as a suggestion... might that lessen the load on hospitals?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Number of states who have had more deaths from covid than New York: 0

NYC is the most populated city in the US by a huge margin.
I don't know why you guys think you are "pwning" anyone with this argument. How many people live in NY, and how urban and tightly packed are people there compared to other states and cities around the country?
There's like 9 million people in NYC and like 600,000 in Louisville.

 

[Misanthropist]

France just announced a lock down for the whole of November, where you need to fill in a form to leave the house.

In the UK we have a tier system at the moment, but Wales have had a short lockdown period for 2 weeks which they call a circuit breaker, it wouldn't shock me if we did the same before Christmas.

So why is Ligue 1, PL and the Champions/Europa/Nations League still running?

 

[Cole train]

So why is Ligue 1, PL and the Champions/Europa/Nations League still running?

Need something to watch while on lockdown

 

[Orgasmo]

This isn’t the Spanish flu. This is virus that is decimating nursing homes and the rest of the “free” world is paying the price .

Except you're speaking eerily like what some would say during the first wave of the Spanish flu. The first wave wasn't that deadly, mostly affected the elderly and those with underlying conditions. In fact, first wave of Spanish flu was less deadly than COVID currently, with only 75,000 deaths recorded in a one year period compared to 225,000 in 7 months right now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsushistorical/mortstatsh_1918.pdf

The problem with your thinking is there is no way of separating the vulnerable from the general population. We cannot put the elderly, obese or diabetic population inside a germ free bubble. People will interact and spread it to them, causing widespread deaths and overwhelming the healthcare system with hospitalizations. Already, hospitals in Europe and parts of Murica are reaching their capacity. Belgium just ordered infected doctors to work because their system would collapse otherwise.

You simply cannot go back to normal without managing the pandemic properly. It can be done, and multiple countries had already done it, including Western democracies like New Zealand and Australia. Trying to reopen the economy with a raging pandemic leads to disaster, not salvation.

 

[Ultra O’Dia]

So?

The population density is exponentially higher than most places in the entire world and sees more international traffic in a day than most places see in a year.

True.
There are many factors to this.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So why is Ligue 1, PL and the Champions/Europa/Nations League still running?

Elite level sports are exempt.

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

Also, coming soon to an America near you!

 

[Orgasmo]

Study Japan. They have heard immunity because they had no legal authority to lock down...kids continued to school, yutes raving, and attenuated virus for the vulnerable...only 1600 dead. Granted they are fastidious about hygiene but so are germans. All we are doing with masks/lockdowns is making it worse.

This is Japan right now. Notice anything?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

This is Japan right now. Notice anything?

Mask wearing was normal in Japan even before the pandemic too. You can't compare them to Western cultures I don't think.

 

[Orgasmo]

Mask wearing was normal in Japan even before the pandemic too. You can't compare them to Western cultures I don't think.

And yet that guy complains about mask being bad while praising Japan, completely obvious to the self-pwn.