Measles outbreak in Gaines county, Texas.

[Renard]

It's interesting how people are careful to not go too far in their "skepticism." The Covid jabs were just too rushed, didn't get enough testing, that's why a lot of people were killed and injured by it. It's one big coincidence, not malicious at all, and all the other jabs are fine and dandy. Are they though? In other words, the only skepticism allowed in the Overton window is skepticism that doesn't threaten the paradigm in any shape or form. People on substack got their hands on childhood vaccination vials. Can you guess what they discovered when they sent it for heavy metal testing and looked at it under a dark field microscope? The idea that this stuff is safe is laughable. They won't even disclose to you the ingredient list. It's a leap based on faith and trust in Big Pharma, nothing else. At minimum, when the safety of your child is concerned, it should be "trust but verify." Not exactly a high bar, is it?

 

[PhitePhan]

Most of these were rolled out between the 40s and 70s. There is lots of data at this point imo. MMR was introduced in 1970 so we have 50+ years of data.

Cochrane review found through exhaustive study that safety data was “largely inadequate” as recent as 2012… what good is 50+ years of data if it’s low quality data?

Authors' conclusions: The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate.

Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children - PubMed

The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate. The evidence of adverse events following immunisation with the MMR vaccine cannot be separated from its role in preventing the target diseases.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[PhitePhan]

It's interesting how people are careful to not go too far in their "skepticism." The Covid jabs were just too rushed, didn't get enough testing, that's why a lot of people were killed and injured by it. It's one big coincidence, not malicious at all, and all the other jabs are fine and dandy. Are they though? In other words, the only skepticism allowed in the Overton window is skepticism that doesn't threaten the paradigm in any shape or form. People on substack got their hands on childhood vaccination vials. Can you guess what they discovered when they sent it for heavy metal testing and looked at it under a dark field microscope? The idea that this stuff is safe is laughable. They won't even disclose to you the ingredient list. It's a leap based on faith and trust in Big Pharma, nothing else. At minimum, when the safety of your child is concerned, it should be "trust but verify." Not exactly a high bar, is it?

Cognitive dissonance in action.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Uh oh... I feel a political shift though... seems like we used to point and laugh at those peeps...

After Covid, it’s definitely shifted.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Uh oh... I feel a political shift though... seems like we used to point and laugh at those peeps...

Here in my neck of the woods two kids brother and sister had adverse reactions to the flu vaccine. Both had seizures and unfortunately the 2 year old died.

Perfectly healthy kids. It’s not all roses and I don’t like the righteous uninformed putting down those who want to make their own informed choice.

 

[Cajun]

Cochrane review found through exhaustive study that safety data was “largely inadequate” as recent as 2012… what good is 50+ years of data if it’s low quality data?

Authors' conclusions: The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate.

Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children - PubMed

The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate. The evidence of adverse events following immunisation with the MMR vaccine cannot be separated from its role in preventing the target diseases.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They are saying that the reporting of safety outcomes is largely inadequate but doesn't mean the results aren't there. You are talking about a population of 330M and over a 50 year mark. This journal has an impact factor of around 8 which is not bad but means that it likely is not a conclusive study. Reporting of safety outcomes doesn't outweigh the what we see in 50 years with cases of these diseases in the US being largely reduced to minimal outbreaks. The biggest concern from anti-vaxxers is the debate over Autism which has been debunked. Vaccines of any type have a small percentage chance of adverse reactions. Thats always the case as with any medication including things like over the counter meds. Overall I don't think there is enough evidence over 50 years to prove anything that would lead me to believe that things like mumps which cause sterility would be let back in....

 

[SKYNET]

Covid was a weird one. It was developed and rolled out under Trump just before Biden took office. Before that you had videos of Biden saying he wouldnt take it and the left acting like he made it out of his basement. Then Biden wins and the entire thing flips. Totally partisan stuff.

Not only Biden, it was multiple high ranking members of the DNC like Kamala and Cuomo as well.

They made it a hyper-partisan issue and flipped on a dime the minute Trump was out of the way.

Very reassuring actions coming from our "leadership" at a time when our nation and the entire planet was closer to the brink than at any point in my lifetime.

 

[Cajun]

Not only Biden, it was multiple high ranking members of the DNC like Kamala and Cuomo as well.

They made it a hyper-partisan issue and flipped on a dime the minute Trump was out of the way.

Very reassuring actions coming from our "leadership" at a time when our nation and the entire planet was closer to the brink than at any point in my lifetime.

Would there have been such an uproar from the right had Trump remained in office? I think the left would have likely been the ones protesting and the right been good under Trump. It was just a funny turn of events wrapped around who is in charge. The same dems who railed against Trump working to get the vaccine out were the same ones supporting it after biden took over...

 

[Source]

Dude, it’s only about 5000 kids a year that have MMR induced seizure, and only a few hundred of those who will develop epilepsy (in the US alone). It’s worth sacrificing them so that malnourished kids don’t get sick from measles.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies that shows that these cases of epilepsy are cause by the MMR vaccine?

 

[PeterGriffin]

The odds of developing epilepsy are increased in those who have even one seizure. Increase seizures from MMR = increase epilepsy from MMR.

“Furthermore, a large 2004 Danish epidemiological study published in JAMA found that the risk of febrile seizures after MMR vaccination is 1 in 640[4] —a five-fold higher risk of febrile seizure than the risk of seizure from measles.[5]

Re: The unofficial vaccine educators: are CDC funded non-profits sufficiently independent?

www.bmj.com

“Our study revealed that the incidence of subsequent epilepsy after febrile seizures was 10% in individuals that had febrile seizures. This is similar to the results in a prospective cohort study by Neligan et al.13), which demonstrated that the risk of developing epilepsy following febrile seizures was 2%–10%.”

Epilepsy in children with a history of febrile seizures - PMC

Febrile seizure, the most common type of pediatric convulsive disorder, is a benign seizure syndrome distinct from epilepsy. However, as epilepsy is also common during childhood, we aimed to identify the prognostic factors that can predict epilepsy ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We still don’t know what “causes” epilepsy in healthy kids, but we DO know that even one febrile seizure increases the risk for epilepsy.

My nephew has suffered from seizures and migraines his whole life, since birth. The pediatrician highly suspects he may have had a stroke while in the womb. Medications only work until they lose their effectiveness and strength, then it's on to finding something else to use.

 

[chardog]

Because of vaccines!!

Truly, this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen you post. It's appallingly stupid.

you low key proved my point, it's a lower grade sickness that you're mandated to get the vaccine. chicken pox causes death and it's lower grade and caused hundreds of deaths a year.

even in the 60's, 80 years back by your own admission, there were only a few hundred among hundreds of millions of people.

the flu on the other hand.... cant figure that out

here's a question for you:

around 10% of the measles outbreak cases involved fully vaccinated, multiple shot folks. Since these shots are four years apart, should there be a mandate to get the MMR shot every four years in an attempt to reduce that 10% down to zero?

 

[PhitePhan]

Do you have any peer reviewed studies that shows that these cases of epilepsy are cause by the MMR vaccine?

CDC themselves acknowledge “a small increase” in febrile seizures after the MMR (and other vaccines, as well). The febrile seizure is “caused” by the vaccine.

Scientific study has shown that the odds of developing epilepsy following a febrile seizure are also elevated.

As to what “causes” epilepsy in the majority of people, science doesn’t know yet, although there are associations with developmental delays, genetics, and other factors.

 

[PhitePhan]

My nephew has suffered from seizures and migraines his whole life, since birth. The pediatrician highly suspects he may have had a stroke while in the womb. Medications only work until they lose their effectiveness and strength, then it's on to finding something else to use.

I’m sorry to hear about your nephews struggles, must be tough.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Antivaxxers were a big thing even before COVID. It just got bigger after it.

This is true. Affluent white areas in California dealt with the same issues.

 

[Natural Order]

These things normally happen with Menonite, Amish communities.

 

[PhitePhan]

This is true. Affluent white areas in California dealt with the same issues.

“Mean years of schooling was a negative predictor of vaccination rates (COVID only) in analyses including either all 133 countries or wealthy countries (with high GNI) only, whereas the pupil-teacher ratio was also a significant positive predictor. This means that the greater the average number of pupils per teacher in a country, the more likely it is for people to be vaccinated. Thus, fewer pupils per teacher were associated with lower vaccination rates, indicating that the higher the quality of education, the greater the vaccination hesitancy rate. In poorer countries (with middle GNI), educational expenditure negatively predicted COVID-19 vaccination rates. Previous studies support such results indicating that higher educational level may be associated with lower rates of the willingness for own (Opstelten et al., 2001; Tran et al., 2018) and ones’ children’s vaccination (Ten Kate et al., 2021), especially in wealthy countries.“

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/21582440241253326

 

[SKYNET]

Would there have been such an uproar from the right had Trump remained in office? I think the left would have likely been the ones protesting and the right been good under Trump. It was just a funny turn of events wrapped around who is in charge. The same dems who railed against Trump working to get the vaccine out were the same ones supporting it after biden took over...

I can't speak for what the right would have done if Trump remained.

I can only say I had zero issues with the covid vaccine from the start. My thoughts were if someone wanted to take it, then that is none of my business, more power to them. Essentially the polar opposite of a person who is anti-vaccine, but I also supported minding our own business and felt like everyone should have the right to opt out, this of course made me an "anti-vaxxer" lol a total absence of logic and reasoning took over our society.

My main concern and it still leaves a bitter taste to this day were the vaccine mandates, the same mandates high ranking DNC officials swore to us that they wouldn't mandate and even went so far as to say they couldn't do so if they wanted. (Pelosi & Biden) but of course they are disgusting liars so they went ahead and attacked the working class who were already 6 months behind on rent, bills, etc. So fucking awesome to hear all these rich cocksucking bastards tell corporations to mandate the vaccine or else we might lose our jobs.

 

[PhitePhan]

They are saying that the reporting of safety outcomes is largely inadequate but doesn't mean the results aren't there. You are talking about a population of 330M and over a 50 year mark. This journal has an impact factor of around 8 which is not bad but means that it likely is not a conclusive study. Reporting of safety outcomes doesn't outweigh the what we see in 50 years with cases of these diseases in the US being largely reduced to minimal outbreaks. The biggest concern from anti-vaxxers is the debate over Autism which has been debunked. Vaccines of any type have a small percentage chance of adverse reactions. Thats always the case as with any medication including things like over the counter meds. Overall I don't think there is enough evidence over 50 years to prove anything that would lead me to believe that things like mumps which cause sterility would be let back in....

I’m not a huge vaccines cause autism guy, but to say this has been “debunked” is not entirely true. A former head of CDC admitted symptoms “that have characteristics of autism” following vaccination, and vaccine court has paid on many such cases.

JULIE GERBERDING, DR., CDC DIRECTOR: "Well, you know, I don't have all the facts because I still haven't been able to review the case files myself. But my understanding is that the child has a -- what we think is a rare mitochondrial disorder… Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you're predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism."

I know that the MMR reduces the number of diagnosed measles cases, because we actually have quality data to support that… what we don’t know, is at what cost? As I’ve posted already, the MMR program in the US is responsible for thousands of febrile seizures and hundreds of epilepsy cases each year… and these are just two adverse events, and it took decades before we found this out. What other adverse events are occurring (if any) is difficult to determine because we simply aren’t looking for them, and we never have been.

 

[Cajun]

I can't speak for what the right would have done if Trump remained.

I can only say I had zero issues with the covid vaccine from the start. My thoughts were if someone wanted to take it, then that is none of my business, more power to them. Essentially the polar opposite of a person who is anti-vaccine, but I also supported minding our own business and felt like everyone should have the right to opt out, this of course made me an "anti-vaxxer" lol a total absence of logic and reasoning took over our society.

My main concern and it still leaves a bitter taste to this day were the vaccine mandates, the same mandates high ranking DNC officials swore to us that they wouldn't mandate and even went so far as to say they couldn't do so if they wanted. (Pelosi & Biden) but of course they are disgusting liars so they went ahead and attacked the working class who were already 6 months behind on rent, bills, etc. So fucking awesome to hear all these rich cocksucking bastards tell corporations to mandate the vaccine or else we might lose our jobs.

Look... the covid crisis was a hot mess. Make no mistake I firmly believe that. Hospitals getting funds if covid death was reported was a mess and grossly changed the view on the outcome of the virus. Fauci was negligent. There is too much to unpack in terms of the response to the outbreak. Did it run a larger risk for those immunocompromised? Yes and my sister in law was one that couldn't leave the house for the most part. Mandates have been around before this so I don't think it was unheard of in the states. Should it have been done here? Likely not but it wasn't something that never existed here. Believe it started with polio. Peeps had the same argument over seatbelts, child seats, motorcycle helmets, housing codes etc. Its always been a debate. But yeah we can agree it was a mess from start to finish. The Biden administration did not handle it well.

 

[SKYNET]

Mandates have been around before this so I don't think it was unheard of in the states.

Fair point. Mandates in the medical field, sure, makes sense.

Mandates for frontline workers in factories and warehouses who continued to work (thankfully) all of 2020 without a vaccine to protect them. No way, I won't accept that.