Meanwhile in Sweden

[dontsnitch]

The issue is simple imo. A significant portion of women say that they're sexually offended in most countries' but the actual reports don't match up for various reasons. Underreporting isn't a new phenomenon. The thing, specifically, with sweden is that they have a large net for what constitutes rape as I showed with the red highlights. They also are considered to have less underreporting due to low corruption and higher gender equality, again, per the highlights. I don't think sweden would classify as rape culture.

As far as the individual case, my only issue is the length of the community service for already stated reasons.

The sentence is supposed to be just as much a preventive measure as a punitive one, so I have to disagree that community service serves the best interest here, given that the rapist is still able to rape.

That is my main objections with multiple offenders, that once you've proved that you're a danger to society, especially to minors, you should not simply be given the benefit of the doubt. I'd lay money that this predator rapes again, and the next victim is the one that suffers the real injustice.

 

[Pecker123]

The issue is simple imo. A significant portion of women say that they're sexually offended in most countries' but the actual reports don't match up for various reasons. Underreporting isn't a new phenomenon. The thing, specifically, with sweden is that they have a large net for what constitutes rape as I showed with the red highlights. They also are considered to have less underreporting due to low corruption and higher gender equality, again, per the highlights. I don't think sweden would classify as rape culture.

As far as the individual case, my only issue is the length of the community service for already stated reasons.

Makes sense. If rape is underreported but not as undrerreported in Sweden that would reflect in the rape statistics.

It wouldn't necessarily be a Sweden problem of some sort of rape epidemic but a problem of underreporting elsewhere?

It's which end of the telescope you look through. Now there are arguments on how rapists are sentenced and what classifies as rape but I guess you could say Sweden has a society more condusive to the reporting and prosecution of sexual offences but is more lenient on sentencing. IDK.

That what we should aim for is for sexual offences to be reported and prosecuted fairly and for the sentencing to reflect the crime and the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

 

[IIIIIIII]

that's what happens when you have feminists running your country. sweden is getting fucked in the ass willingly. it's pathetic.

 

[Bork]

The sentence is supposed to be just as much a preventive measure as a punitive one, so I have to disagree that community service serves the best interest here, given that the rapist is still able to rape.

That is my main objections with multiple offenders, that once you've proved that you're a danger to society, especially to minors, you should not simply be given the benefit of the doubt. I'd lay money that this predator rapes again, and the next victim is the one that suffers the real injustice.

I don't recall reading that he was a multiple offender. It was late though. I thought it was just the one girl. Anyway, community service is plenty punitive which is why it has been shown to be effective. It also doesn't really have the negative aspects of prison as far as potentially turning out worse criminals, being expensive, and burdening families. Even if the kid went to prison he would've been out sooner than later. Though, the prison system may be better in sweden than here.

I did community service in college due to some shenanigans and it sucked. Hard manual labor can be a PITA. I've never been on probation, but know someone who was. And that's a PITA as well.

Man, I posted some data on this a while back and most likely won't look for it anytime soon, it being the weeken and all.

 

[IIIIIIII]

They just adopt the culture norm of the immigrants, it's called progression. Good for them.

no. it's called changing your culture. whether it's progressive or not, is up to you.

 

[dontsnitch]

I don't recall reading that he was a multiple offender. It was late though. I thought it was just the one girl. Anyway, community service is plenty punitive which is why it has been shown to be effective. It also doesn't really have the negative aspects of prison as far as potentially turning out worse criminals, being expensive, and burdening families. Even if the kid went to prison he would've been out sooner than later. Though, the prison system may be better in sweden than here.

I did community service in college due to some shenanigans and it sucked. Hard manual labor can be a PITA. I've never been on probation, but know someone who was. And that's a PITA as well.

Man, I posted some data on this a while back and most likely won't look for it anytime soon, it being the weeken and all.

Hard community service can be effective, I just think that you need to prove that you won't harm someone after you've already done so, the rape of a minor is especially grievous.

I misspoke saying he was a multiple offender, I meant that as a general rule, that it pains me to see someone charged of rape or murder to eventually go on to commit the same crimes. I feel the blame is no longer on the predator at that point, but on society for allowing it.

 

[Titus002]

Bork has to be the king of all the cuckolds of Scandinavia. Has the deranged view that community service is the correct punishment for rape then in another post complains about actually doing manual labor. What a cuck.

 

[Bork]

Makes sense. If rape is underreported but not as undrerreported in Sweden that would reflect in the rape statistics.

It wouldn't necessarily be a Sweden problem of some sort of rape epidemic but a problem of underreporting elsewhere?

It's which end of the telescope you look through. Now there are arguments on how rapists are sentenced and what classifies as rape but I guess you could say Sweden has a society more condusive to the reporting and prosecution of sexual offences but is more lenient on sentencing. IDK.

That what we should aim for is for sexual offences to be reported and prosecuted fairly and for the sentencing to reflect the crime and the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I endorse this message. I haven't researched and compared victimization trends of countries, but if Sweden's is doing well comparatively (it is lowering per the wiki) and they don't have repeat offenders then I say more power to them. Personally, I currently support hard labor with no prison expenses for most crimes.

 

[Bork]

Hard community service can be effective, I just think that you need to prove that you won't harm someone after you've already done so, the rape of a minor is especially grievous.

I misspoke saying he was a multiple offender, I meant that as a general rule, that it pains me to see someone charged of rape or murder to eventually go on to commit the same crimes. I feel the blame is no longer on the predator at that point, but on society for allowing it.

How can you prove that in jail though? I mean, sure, you have bars separating you, but no one knows how you'll fare when you're out. And honestly, given how the prison system works here you stand a good chance of not being reformed and wasting tax dollars. With CMS and probation he'll be on a tight leash and have to manage service hours with his life. That said, he had already gone a year without being a repeat offender which is part why they gave him CMS and probation. I still think that it may be too short though. And yes, I know that a repeated offense may happen after a year.

Man, it's been a while since I really discussed recidivism. Even in that post I was talking about, I really only left a snide remark about false dilemmas and a link.

Bork has to be the king of the cuckolds. Has the deranged view that community service is the correct punishment for rape then in another post complains about actually doing manual labor. What a cuck.

Yeah, doing hard work for free while also trying to have a social life and manage school was a PITA. I do hard work for my current job, but get paid and don't have nearly as much on my plate as then.

 

[dontsnitch]

How can you prove that in jail though? I mean, sure, you have bars separating you, but no one knows how you'll fare when you're out. And honestly, given how the prison system works here you stand a good chance of not being reformed and wasting tax dollars. With CMS and probation he'll be on a tight leash and have to manage service hours with his life. That said, he had already gone a year without being a repeat offender which is part why they gave him CMS and probation. I still think that it may be too short though. And yes, I know that a repeated offense may happen after a year.

Man, it's been a while since I really discussed recidivism. Even in that post I was talking about, I really only left a snide remark about false dilemmas and a link.

Your point about jail also not being a fool-proof way to impede secondary offences is why I don't consider your arguments irrational. The only thing I can suggest is that at least while in prison, the perp can't rape the public at large, and I'm not sure what studies suggest, but I think fear of prison (or returning) have a greater effect than simply community service.

These are all just opinions, I have no real idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Pecker123]

I endorse this message. I haven't researched and compared victimization trends of countries, but if Sweden's is doing well comparatively (it is lowering per the wiki) and they don't have repeat offenders then I say more power to them. Personally, I currently support hard labor with no prison expenses for most crimes.

Would be very difficult. Practically impossible when you consider different jurisdictions continually redefine offences and how they are categorized.

Probably be better to look at the root causes of rape but thats a more sociological, psychological thing.

But recidivism rates are one aspect. Yes we need to reduce recidivism and take into account protecting the public but long term you need to look into the root causes of offences as then you are reducing the problem.

If rape wasn't a crime a society would have 0 rapes, if you get what I mean.

Again you run into a problem of comparative analysis in how rape is defined and how it is reported.

Its a broad problem not only in how particular societies define rape, but in the reporting of it and how the judicial system deals with it but that could be said of any crime.

I think I'm with you on the hard labour. Punishment and rehabilitation need not be separated, in fact they could be one and the same imo.

 

[Titus002]

The cucks in here defending community service for rape are delusional. Another motive instead of being delusional cucks is that they know the mass importation of 3rd world barbarians will lead to a increase in petty crimes to violent rapes. This will put great strain on their socialist governments and social welfare. A way to allow this system to continue a little longer is community service. No need to feed, house or build new prisons. Selfish or delusional.

 

[clmetal]

Worth to note ^^ Is that the guy getting that kind of sentence is first and foremost because he's not tried as an adult, since he was 17.

That said, I will not try to defend and I don't mean to compare this is better than that. But if we take said example in Sweden, and compare it to the worst examples from campus rape cases, where's is the sweet spot?

And how sweet is it? Even though many cases are clear cut, rape remains a difficult issue for lawmakers I would assume and that will probably help making the worst cases really odd.

What is the worst case of campus rape? Dont they usually involve drug girls saying yes and then barely remembering what happened? Very different than following a 12 year old home, beating her up, fucking her until she bleeds and making lewd racial comments. The 12 year olds life is ruined while I suspect levels of campus rape happen to most girls (they say yes because they are drunk)

I don't know why you guys dont want to cut someone like this off from society for a long time. And 180 hours of community service isn't much of a deterrent for the next MENA Swede eying a blond Swede

 

[Richmma80]

Community service for rape? Holy fucking shit... the SJWs are fucking insane. If someone rapes my 11 year old daughter, I will KILL the motherfucker.

 

[Ruprecht]

Yeah, I thought Australian sentencing was on the light side, but Sweden takes it way further.

The guy in the OP's video has issues though...

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

I take it those defending the sentence has not had a family member brutally raped. A family member got raped at an early age, and she stills has problems with men. 10 years later. But hey, it's more about his life than hers. SMFH

 

[shinkyoku]

Community service for rape? Holy fucking shit... the SJWs are fucking insane. If someone rapes my 11 year old daughter, I will KILL the motherfucker.

The scale of punishment ijn sweden for rape for adults is 2-6 years prison (10 years if the victim is u 18). However, perps under 18 does not receive the full punishment. This guy got an outrageous "discount" because he was underage himself at the time. UN rules does not allow minors to spend time in jail, but the discount in this case was extreme, and way over the top. There is a serious pressure on the swedish government to do something about this discount system on juvenile criminals after number of scandals when immigrant (for some reason mostly Somalian refugees) has received ridiculous light sentences after very serous transgressions. But changing laws is not done overnight. The proposed new laws with harsher punishments (and loopholes closed), esp for crimes against children, is to be ready next year.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

Community service for rape? Holy fucking shit... the SJWs are fucking insane. If someone rapes my 11 year old daughter, I will KILL the motherfucker.

I don't understand either. It has me seriously questioning what exactly people think that rape does to women. Do they think they take a few weeks to heal physically, and poof, they are all better? Fuck man...

 

[Ruprecht]

Interestingly, they supposedly already revised their sentencing for violent crime in 2010.

 

[CableandThanos]

I haven't been on in a while, isn't Bork the one that post the blacks are discriminated against by the cops post in any police shooting thread.

After reading his shit in this thread of course he would take up for the criminals and blame police. He's the type to watch his girl get raped and then blame her for her white privilege.