Meanwhile in Sweden

[CombatCyborg]

Not Sweden but Breivik (PBUH) bro

If Breivik was indeed acting with the intention of reducing immigration, and the conspiracy-loving part of me says that doesn't make any sense, he did a piss poor job of it. Why on earth would he attack innocent children instead of the immigrants themselves? Anyway, fuck Breivik.

Just like in the US, we're pretty much waiting for the old guard to ... simply grow old and die. They are detatched from reality.

However, you're implying in your post that every immigrant is a raging rapist just looking for a safe haven to rape. Maybe it wasn't your intention but I'd think it's safe to say that's pretty unfair... To almost everyone.

No I'm not, and I don't believe that they are. But the ones who are interested in crime and rape get a pretty sweet deal. The criminal justice system is so lax that they practically get rewarded.

 

[Shokushu Goukan]

Oh, we are posting the porn we jerk off to on here? Cool. Hey, dude, just because you are into black guys schlongs does not make you gay and even if you are your life style is your business. Oh, were one of those cuck sheds yours? If so, sweet.
Some people may think you are a total and complete pathetic loser for being into ethnic schlongs, but I don't think that at all. Really.

Here is mine porn obsessions. I am sure yours makes you feel more ashamed than mine, but someone has got to get bottomed out.

[YT]igfP0eD5sFk[/YT]
^ sweet

 

[spin]

If Breivik was indeed acting with the intention of reducing immigration, and the conspiracy-loving part of me says that doesn't make any sense, he did a piss poor job of it. Why on earth would he attack innocent children instead of the immigrants themselves? Anyway, fuck Breivik.



No I'm not, and I don't believe that they are. But the ones who are interested in crime and rape get a pretty sweet deal. The criminal justice system is so lax that they practically get rewarded.

One sad thing to note, rapists often get a sweet deal, anywhere, particularly with very young girls. Because the girls are so traumatized they don't ever want to go through the extra horror of prosecuting, as they have to relive it in excruciating detail.


Doesn't really help the conversation, just something i had to type.

 

[wlu29]

can't stand the dude's voice

 

[wlu29]

this guy is pretty disingenuous

 

[Bork]

According to wiki, this guy is a fear monger and the ppl who buy into his message are dolts. Also, there seems to be a lack of understanding of the swedish criminal system and reporting. But, hey, who knows? Conspiracies and whatnot.

For all the rational ppl not easily bought with youtube videos, below is the wiki, and you can form your own opinions. There's no point in me quoting anything because it extensively debunks the idea that sweden's crime is out of control from start to finish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

Also, I read through the Ida story and the dude got community service and probation due to being a minor when it happened and not having any other allegations or priors; ultimately, they deemed him a productive citizen one year later. Not that I don't think his crime was serious, but personally, I believe community service to be a more economically efficient and effective than prison. That said, I do think one month may have been too short. I do wonder what the law is in sweden considering they were only 5 years apart. I think, here, that's the cut off, at least for some states. And plenty of white guys on the site as well. Lemme make a youtube video about it...

http://www.stoppa-:eek::eek::eek::e...mhallstjanst-for-valdtakt-mot-12-arig-flicka/

 

[shinkyoku]

According to wiki, this guy is a fear monger and the ppl who buy into his message are dolts. Also, there seems to be a lack of understanding of the swedish criminal system and reporting. But, hey, who knows? Conspiracies and whatnot.

For all the rational ppl not easily bought with youtube videos, below is the wiki, and you can form your own opinions. There's no point in me quoting anything because it extensively debunks the idea that sweden's crime is out of control from start to finish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

The problem exist. The effects of the large immigration is being felt. PC culture is sometimes ridiculous. Having said that, there seems to be people who make it their business to blow small isolated stories way out of proportions to paint sweden as ridiculous, in a way that I as a Swede simply go "wtf are they talking about?".

 

[dontsnitch]

If there is a rape culture in America, what do you call it in Sweden?

 

[Gervinho]

If there is a rape culture in America, what do you call it in Sweden?

You really think there is more rape in sweden than America....even on average? Sweden has gone from extremely low criminality to having some criminality. Swedes are masters of exaggerating, also alot of what is seen as rape wouldnt be seen as rape in the US. The main difference is Sweden count its whole national crime as one, while in America you have developed this habit of separating people. There are so many shootings in places like Chicago and Detroit.....yeah but those are gang on gang shooting. So we not gonna count them. What about all the killings and shooting regarding drugs....yeah but we not gonna call them. they are criminals. In America good people rarely shoot other good people, we should focus on that

 

[dontsnitch]

You really think there is more rape in sweden than America....even on average? Sweden has gone from extremely low criminality to having some criminality. Swedes are masters of exaggerating, also alot of what is seen as rape wouldnt be seen as rape in the US. The main difference is Sweden count its whole national crime as one, while in America you have developed this habit of separating people. There are so many shootings in places like Chicago and Detroit.....yeah but those are gang on gang shooting. So we not gonna count them. What about all the killings and shooting regarding drugs....yeah but we not gonna call them. they are criminals. In America good people rarely shoot other good people, we should focus on that

I thought rape culture was less to do with statistics and more to do with enablement. Which is the problem with such ideologies that are malleable to begin with, you can use them as it benefits you.

I don't know the statistics, but if rape culture is a real thing, I suspect a society which allows rape to occur with minimal punishment would classify.

 

[Chinballs]

Worth to note ^^ Is that the guy getting that kind of sentence is first and foremost because he's not tried as an adult, since he was 17.

That said, I will not try to defend and I don't mean to compare this is better than that. But if we take said example in Sweden, and compare it to the worst examples from campus rape cases, where's is the sweet spot?

And how sweet is it? Even though many cases are clear cut, rape remains a difficult issue for lawmakers I would assume and that will probably help making the worst cases really odd.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Worth to note ^^ Is that the guy getting that kind of sentence is first and foremost because he's not tried as an adult, since he was 17.

That said, I will not try to defend and I don't mean to compare this is better than that. But if we take said example in Sweden, and compare it to the worst examples from campus rape cases, where's is the sweet spot?

And how sweet is it? Even though many cases are clear cut, rape remains a difficult issue for lawmakers I would assume and that will probably help making the worst cases really odd.

Funnily enough but even at 17, when I was basically an erection with legs, I was able to figure out that Rape was Not Cool.

Age can be a mitigating factor in some cases; there have been incidents where one child has sexually assaulted another. And while this is disgusting, no one is seriously suggesting that an 11 year old boy should be charged and tried as an adult.

But if a 17 year old lacks the intelligence and self control to refrain from raping someone, they deserve no sympathy. Or mercy.

 

[Gervinho]

Worth to note ^^ Is that the guy getting that kind of sentence is first and foremost because he's not tried as an adult, since he was 17.

That said, I will not try to defend and I don't mean to compare this is better than that. But if we take said example in Sweden, and compare it to the worst examples from campus rape cases, where's is the sweet spot?

And how sweet is it? Even though many cases are clear cut, rape remains a difficult issue for lawmakers I would assume and that will probably help making the worst cases really odd.

Sweden has always been alot softer on rapes and child molestation. A guy I went to school with became a serial rapist and when they caught him, they found him guilty of seven rapes. He did less than 3 years. There have been 3 child molesters over the years in my old hometown who all got less than 5 years. So to get something like 30 years in Sweden I think you have to take out a whole village. But there is a growing racism in the internet from some swedes who want to divide people. One consistent trait they use is they show picture of Swedish blonde girls with black/middle eastern guys. In sweden this girls are views as damaged good in the eyes of Swedes.

 

[V Belfort]

Sweden has always been alot softer on rapes and child molestation. A guy I went to school with became a serial rapist and when they caught him, they found him guilty of seven rapes. He did less than 3 years. There have been 3 child molesters over the years in my old hometown who all got less than 5 years. So to get something like 30 years in Sweden I think you have to take out a whole village. But there is a growing racism in the internet from some swedes who want to divide people. One consistent trait they use is they show picture of Swedish blonde girls with black/middle eastern guys. In sweden this girls are views as damaged good in the eyes of Swedes.

They just adopt the culture norm of the immigrants, it's called progression. Good for them.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Sweden has always been alot softer on rapes and child molestation. A guy I went to school with became a serial rapist and when they caught him, they found him guilty of seven rapes. He did less than 3 years. There have been 3 child molesters over the years in my old hometown who all got less than 5 years. So to get something like 30 years in Sweden I think you have to take out a whole village. But there is a growing racism in the internet from some swedes who want to divide people. One consistent trait they use is they show picture of Swedish blonde girls with black/middle eastern guys. In sweden this girls are views as damaged good in the eyes of Swedes.

Double post

 

[Son of Jamin]

Sweden has always been alot softer on rapes and child molestation. A guy I went to school with became a serial rapist and when they caught him, they found him guilty of seven rapes. He did less than 3 years. There have been 3 child molesters over the years in my old hometown who all got less than 5 years. So to get something like 30 years in Sweden I think you have to take out a whole village. But there is a growing racism in the internet from some swedes who want to divide people. One consistent trait they use is they show picture of Swedish blonde girls with black/middle eastern guys. In sweden this girls are views as damaged good in the eyes of Swedes.

Ah, Swedes sees them as damaged goods. How about families from MENA and their tolerance? They seem found of throwing young girls from their balconies due they "acting Swedish" when we are already talking about generalizations and stereotyping...

 

[Pecker123]

Funnily enough but even at 17, when I was basically an erection with legs, I was able to figure out that Rape was Not Cool.

Age can be a mitigating factor in some cases; there have been incidents where one child has sexually assaulted another. And while this is disgusting, no one is seriously suggesting that an 11 year old boy should be charged and tried as an adult.

But if a 17 year old lacks the intelligence and self control to refrain from raping someone, they deserve no sympathy. Or mercy.

Sorry for going off op but in the Uk we try adolescents as adults all the time.

The age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10 except Scotland where it is 12 (since 2011).

The Bulger Killers were tried as adults.

The defendants age could be a mitigating factor but the defendant would indeed be tried as an adult. I could be wrong but I believe it rests on how the judge decides to conduct the trial as to what conditions the trial is conducted under in relation to the age of the defendant ie relaxation of some formalities etc.

'No-one is seriously suggesting 11 year olds are tried as adults?' The Law and and the past several govts certainly do.

In fact in some ways our treatment of young defendants has gotten tougher. Until 1998 English courts operated under the principle of doli incapax. That is the defendant had to know their behaviour was wrong if under 14.

The then govt believed this was contrary to common sense and the current govt has stated it has no plans to change the status quo.

However I must point out when I say tried as an adult that is different to age being a mtigating factor when it comes to sentencing.

In this case yeah I agree 17 should definitely be old enough to be tried and sentenced as an adult. Age should not be a mitigating factor but where do we draw a line? The Eu average is 14 I believe.

 

[Bork]

The problem exist. The effects of the large immigration is being felt. PC culture is sometimes ridiculous. Having said that, there seems to be people who make it their business to blow small isolated stories way out of proportions to paint sweden as ridiculous, in a way that I as a Swede simply go "wtf are they talking about?".

Yeah, well, you guys got like a couple million immigrants in the last 40-50 years with a good portion being refugees. It's not surprising that some baggage was brought. That said, the data from wiki shows that there's no crime epidemic and you guys still rank high on quality of life. Your annual victimization survey also show a downward trend in crime per the wiki.

The number of cases of lethal violence in Sweden has remained at a relatively constant level over the last 30 years

 

[dontsnitch]

I guess this assessment wouldn't be far off. The wiki link I posted earlier made the argument that more gender equal societies have higher reports for sex offences.

Also, it doesn't look like sweden lets rape occur. They appear to have the most expansive reporting for it.

I read the same wiki you posted, and it looks like there is an inherent problem in determining rape statistics. Which again, makes it easy for one to use for their benefit, as was the case with the claim that 1 in 4 women are raped in US Colleges.

Obviously some of the evidence in these videos is anecdotal and perhaps not representative of the system of the whole, but I can't definitively make that claim. As it stands, I don't know if there is a problem in Sweden or not, but community service for the rape of a 12 year old seems wildly lenient, even if just in a vacuum.

 

[Bork]

I read the same wiki you posted, and it looks like there is an inherent problem in determining rape statistics. Which again, makes it easy for one to use for their benefit, as was the case with the claim that 1 in 4 women are raped in US Colleges.

Obviously some of the evidence in these videos is anecdotal and perhaps not representative of the system of the whole, but I can't definitively make that claim. As it stands, I don't know if there is a problem in Sweden or not, but community service for the rape of a 12 year old seems wildly lenient, even if just in a vacuum.

The issue is simple imo. A significant portion of women say that they're sexually offended in most countries' but the actual reports don't match up for various reasons. Underreporting isn't a new phenomenon. The thing, specifically, with sweden is that they have a large net for what constitutes rape as I showed with the red highlights. They also are considered to have less underreporting due to low corruption and higher gender equality, again, per the highlights. I don't think sweden would classify as rape culture.

As far as the individual case, my only issue is the length of the community service for already stated reasons.