Law Matt Gaetz to become Attorney General

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Yes absolutely

I think that is where we will fundamentally disagree. The statutory rape is only a part of the reports findings. They also found he obstructed congress as well as received impermissible gifts. I find that troubling for a public official. In my opinion that would make him unfit for public office.

 

[Andy Capp]

edit: delete

 

[Andy Capp]

Yes absolutely

lol

 

[SKYNET]

I think that is where we will fundamentally disagree. The statutory rape is only a part of the reports findings. They also found he obstructed congress as well as received impermissible gifts. I find that troubling for a public official. In my opinion that would make him unfit for public office.

Unfit for office - Yes, I can give him the benefit of the doubt here considering there's a lack of evidence and lack of credible witnesses. We are talking about low standards for politicians. Not my standards btw. If he's committed a crime, then prosecute his ass then I'll cross your bridge.
Would I support him - No
Would I vote for him - Absolutely not

 

[SKYNET]

lol

I don't know why I expected more. Someday you and I will see eye to eye

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I suppose if Joe Morrisey can be elected after sexing a minor then Gaetz can be elected again as well.

Beyond me, but...

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't know why I expected more. Someday you and I will see eye to eye

You don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to decide he doesn't deserve to be paid out of the public purse.

 

[SKYNET]

You don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to decide he doesn't deserve to be paid out of the public purse.

Not my call (nor yours) but I have no problem giving him the benefit of the doubt here considering there's a lack of evidence and a lack of credible witnesses to prosecute.

I've seen many American politicians given the benefit of the doubt in the past, some were actually criminals that were found guilty of crimes and their careers in office continued.

Feel free to misconstrue all that as a form of support for Gaetz if it will help with your indignation.

 

[terrapin]

Jesus prayed to John? Get outta here.

And if venerating humans was such a big part of the early church then why was Justin Martyr not venerated until the 1800s?

FTR, the earliest parts of the NT (Paul's letters) have been traced to 50AD. No part of the NT is dated no later than 120AD. And the earliest pronouncement of sainthood is after the year 900.

A pope declaring that a human person is a saint and can be prayed to is not scriptural - and is borderline blasphemous. An infallible Pope is not scriptual and is damn sure not taught by Christ.

I never said every person named a saint was made a saint by a -protector. I just pointed out that the very last Saint was named so by a -protector.

If that hurts you feelings, I'd say you need to look ar that infalliblility of the Pope little harder.

And for the last time being spiritually close to God is not the determining factor in becoming venerated, which has been shown to you by multiple posters.

Also for the last time... Make a thread on the subject. Tag me; I'll happily join the convo, but quit derailing this thread with your mental gymnastics of how one becomes a saint.

Your first sentence means you haven't read the post I made before that.


If you arentt going to read what I say or address what I say, what's the point of a discussion??

Prayer is defined in Catholicism as speaking to someone from the dead who is still alive in the body of Christ.


So when Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah on the mount that is defined as prayer in Catholicism. But it's not worship or even veneration. It's just talking to the dead.


This is where I think many Protestants lack spirituality in that.. even though these members are alive in the body of Christ, you guys seem to think you have no connection to them. But Catholic do and i do.

Whenever you hear the word prayer from Catholicism or the Orthodox Church having to do with anyone but the holy Trinity just translate the word as conversation and you'll understand it.

If you insist on continuing to mystify the word prayer as used by Catholics and myself and the Orthodox church then you are being dishonest intentionally because now you've been told.


I want you to address this directly because this is a game you've been playing ever since we had this conversation where you don't actually address what I've written. I doubt you're even reading what I've written.


Of course, none of what you said hurts my feelings. It's just that you jumped into a conversation that was not about the last Saint proclaimed by the Catholic church. You came in arguing against me but my point was never about that one saying to you know that it was about All saints. So stop being so disingenuous man.

Do you always have a problem arguing in good faith? Why can't we just have a conversation? Every single post from you is trying to tear down what I'm saying but you continually don't read my posts... intentionally misunderstand them or conflate them with positions you have that I'm not talking about.

 

[terrapin]

lol. Terrapin gonna terrapin.

If you mean share facts without conflating and lying, yeah that's what I'm going to do and if you can read our exchanges and think any other way you're being partisan or just lying about it. I backed up everything I said in the next three posts with quotes from the Bible for hell's sakes.

 

[curryjunkie]

If you mean share facts without conflating and lying, yeah that's what I'm going to do and if you can read our exchanges and think any other way you're being partisan or just lying about it. I backed up everything I said in the next three posts with quotes from the Bible for hell's sakes.

Stop derailing with your apologism for systemic cover up of abuse, it's boring as fuck, and everyone is wiping the floor with you.







Happy Christmas..

 

[terrapin]

t.

Stop derailing with your apologism for systemic cover up of abuse, it's boring as fuck, and everyone is wiping the floor with you.







Happy Chris.

I haven't apologized for the abuse not one time. The abuse is despicable and sickening and every single person involved should be in prison. I have never ever apologize for that ever not even one time.


Somebody said that every single person ever made a saint was made a saint by philes and that's a ridiculously stupid statement and so I said so

In addition, I said that the Catholic church and the Orthodox Church have consistent systematic means of producing saints and so we would not want to lose that wisdom. We need to not throw the baby outs with the bath water.

All of these guys who keep coming at me are coming at me because I said that and only that about the philia.

 

[jefferz]

If you mean share facts without conflating and lying, yeah that's what I'm going to do and if you can read our exchanges and think any other way you're being partisan or just lying about it. I backed up everything I said in the next three posts with quotes from the Bible for hell's sakes.

As the kettle said to the pot....

 

[jefferz]

What you mean to say is I refuted every one of your points cuz you're have no idea what you're talking about.
I haven't apologized for the abuse not one time. The abuse is despicable and sickening and every single person involved should be in prison. I have never ever apologize for that ever not even one time.


Somebody said that every single person ever made a saint was made a saint by philes and that's a ridiculously stupid statement and so I said so

All of these guys who keep coming at me are coming at me because I said that and only that about the philia.

In addition, I said that the Catholic church and the Orthodox Church have consistent systematic means of producing saints and so we would not want to lose that wisdom. We need to not throw the baby outs with the bath water.

Now you're just making shit up.

 

[terrapin]

Now you're just making shit up.

No it's literally what was said and that's why I disputed it because it's so stupid on its face.

 

[eddymotto]

I did not even know that Matt Goetz was Catholic but I don't see how that should impact the "case" one way or the other

 

[kflo]

If you mean share facts without conflating and lying, yeah that's what I'm going to do and if you can read our exchanges and think any other way you're being partisan or just lying about it. I backed up everything I said in the next three posts with quotes from the Bible for hell's sakes.

What I mean is you have anger issues. I believe you found spirituality coming from a dark place. I believe you are genuine in your spirituality and your beliefs. But you have not shed that anger and that darkness. And it comes through in good faith discussions when you get frustrated at others not seeing things your way.

This isn’t to start a flame war with you. Others have given you this feedback as well. Maybe you should include it in your own self reflections. No offense intended.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

1-Your first sentence means you haven't read the post I made before that.


If you arentt going to read what I say or address what I say, what's the point of a discussion??

Prayer is defined in Catholicism as speaking to someone from the dead who is still alive in the body of Christ.


2-So when Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah on the mount that is defined as prayer in Catholicism. But it's not worship or even veneration. It's just talking to the dead.


This is where I think many Protestants lack spirituality in that.. even though these members are alive in the body of Christ, you guys seem to think you have no connection to them. But Catholic do and i do.

3-Whenever you hear the word prayer from Catholicism or the Orthodox Church having to do with anyone but the holy Trinity just translate the word as conversation and you'll understand it.

If you insist on continuing to mystify the word prayer as used by Catholics and myself and the Orthodox church then you are being dishonest intentionally because now you've been told.


I want you to address this directly because this is a game you've been playing ever since we had this conversation where you don't actually address what I've written. I doubt you're even reading what I've written.


4- Of course, none of what you said hurts my feelings. It's just that you jumped into a conversation that was not about the last Saint proclaimed by the Catholic church. You came in arguing against me but my point was never about that one saying to you know that it was about All saints. So stop being so disingenuous man.

5- Do you always have a problem arguing in good faith? Why can't we just have a conversation? Every single post from you is trying to tear down what I'm saying but you continually don't read my posts... intentionally misunderstand them or conflate them with positions you have that I'm not talking about.

1- I've read your posts. I'm not trying to to tear you down, I just insist that you are honest when you discuss religious issues. And you would be surprised at how versed I am about our faith.

2- First of all Moses and Elijah appeared to Christ - he didnt pray for them to intercede with God on his behalf.

Sencondly, the Bible says that Jesus is the only mediator between humans and God. It also prohibits inquiring of the dead.

3- Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

^^That, my friend is a prayer andd asking Mary to intercede. Something the Bible says is a no no.

4- I pointed out you ridiculous claim that saints weren't being given that title by people that protected kiddie diddlers was wrong. Just as others did. Then you started talking about higher spirituality - which isn't the defining attribute o become a saint.

5- I read your post. You post a wall of text that doesn't really address anything and you continually deny that the Pope decides who is or isn't a saint.

Plus I've repeatedly asked you to start a thread for this topic so we aren't derailing the thread. So, I won't reply to any more religious posts in this thread.

 

[Andy Capp]

No it's literally what was said and that's why I disputed it because it's so stupid on its face.

Show me.

Edit: I will address your other comment at a more convenient time--such as it deserves, anyway.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yes absolutely

What ever happened to character and integrity? If you think this type of person is fit for office you must not mind grift. Coked out and banging hookers is just a relaxing way to spend the weekend away from the family.

How about hiring this guy to work for you, would you trust him to manage your business? Do you think the customers would be able to get a drink or would he be banging the cocktail waitresses two at a time?