Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

[Claude]

So, I've been living in Mexico for over 30 years.

Shit-tons of violence, armed robberies, murder, kidnappingg, drug wars, cartel mass shootings, etc. But the one thing you barely see here is mass shootings perpetrated by civilians. It's just very rare. So those who are trying to put gang/robbery related handgun shootings in Chicago or whatever, in the same bag as mass shootings, are making a false equivalence. The fact that fire weapons are used in both cases does not mean they have the same root cause. Different cause = different solution.

It's undeniable having easy access to rifles is a big factor in mass shootings. I'd say more so than mental health. Cause you might be a good guy, but what happens when you decide you're not? Lets say you become depressed, you hate the world, and you decide you want to die. But before that, you want to take a bunch of children with you.
Truth is, you can't control people's minds. There's no reliable way to predict who will snap and become a killer. You can invest in mental health, but there's always going to be that one person who looked fine and then snapped.

Not an easy problem to solve. You have a country where a lot of people feel entitled to killing machines and are allowed to own them. I think banning rifles is not going to completely solve mass shootings, but I think it could at least reduce them in the long run. The more obstacles bad people have and the less aware they are that it's extremely easy to become a mass shooter, the less likely they are to move forward. Removing assault rifles from the menu of the crazed cannot be a step in the wrong direction.

And yes, banning assault weapons will come with many problems. But it's better than the problem you have right now.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The fact that they haven’t found this guy yet is embarrassing. What the fuck is law enforcement even for? These people are all fucking useless and should be pelted with rotten tomatoes for as long as they remain in public life

 

[StewDogg11]

Pretty much NO gun laws in Maine. Even if you're a domestic abuser.

I know you frequently have literally no clue what you’re talking about but this may take the cake and that’s saying something.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/maines-gun-laws-after-lewiston-mass-shooting/story?id=104348166

 

[oldshadow]

So, I've been living in Mexico for over 30 years.

Shit-tons of violence, armed robberies, murder, kidnappingg, drug wars, cartel mass shootings, etc. But the one thing you barely see here is mass shootings perpetrated by civilians. It's just very rare. So those who are trying to put gang/robbery related handgun shootings in Chicago or whatever, in the same bag as mass shootings, are making a false equivalence. The fact that fire weapons are used in both cases does not mean they have the same root cause. Different cause = different solution.

It's undeniable having easy access to rifles is a big factor in mass shootings. I'd say more so than mental health. Cause you might be a good guy, but what happens when you decide you're not? Lets say you become depressed, you hate the world, and you decide you want to die. But before that, you want to take a bunch of children with you.
Truth is, you can't control people's minds. There's no reliable way to predict who will snap and become a killer. You can invest in mental health, but there's always going to be that one person who looked fine and then snapped.

Not an easy problem to solve. You have a country where a lot of people feel entitled to killing machines and are allowed to own them. I think banning rifles is not going to completely solve mass shootings, but I think it could at least reduce them in the long run. The more obstacles bad people have and the less aware they are that it's extremely easy to become a mass shooter, the less likely they are to move forward. Removing assault rifles from the menu of the crazed cannot be a step in the wrong direction.

And yes, banning assault weapons will come with many problems. But it's better than the problem you have right now.

No an "assault" weapons is not the answer because it does nothing but a ban on how something looks is stupid.

You can argue about "high capacity mags " as in a ban on them but that's not going to what some say it will.

 

[Claude]

No an "assault" weapons is not the answer because it does nothing but a ban on how something looks is stupid.

You can argue about "high capacity mags " as in a ban on them but that's not going to what some say it will.

Call it whaterever you want. A machine that can kill dozens of people in few seconds should not be allowed.

 

[oldshadow]

Call it whaterever you want. A machine that can kill dozens of people in few seconds should not be allowed.

"Can kill" like a vehicle. I'm not "coming after you " on this I'm trying to explain how the "assault weapons " ban is just bad logic. Other gun control can be debated on constitutionality and other things but "assault weapons" ban is just weak logically.

 

[Claude]

"Can kill" like a vehicle. I'm not "coming after you " on this I'm trying to explain how the "assault weapons " ban is just bad logic. Other gun control can be debated on constitutionality and other things but "assault weapons" ban is just weak logically.

Vehicles are necessary for civilians, assault weapons aren't. Vehicles are used for transportation, weapons are used to kill.

Big difference.

Can you explain why it's bad logic?

 

[HOLA]

So please tell us Mr. Spaghetti-O's, what is your solution?

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens (theonion.com)

LEWISTON, ME—In the hours following a violent rampage in Maine in which a lone attacker killed at least 16 individuals and injured numerous others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Idaho resident Peter Carter, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Note left by Maine shooting suspect suggests he won’t be found alive, source says. Divers have been deployed to a river
By Aya Elamroussi, Holly Yan and John Miller, CNN

Authorities found a note from Maine massacre suspect Robert Card which indicated the suspect did not expect to be alive when the note was found, the equivalent of a suicide note in some manner, a law enforcement official explains.

This is part of the reason the investigation has shifted to include searching the water, the law enforcement source said.

The note described by the official essentially gave information and instruction to others about where things could be found, and how things could be disposed of - ultimately suggesting when it was found or read that Card would no longer be alive.

Authorities are following the natural progression of leads including considering what next steps he may have taken.

Investigators searching for mass shooting suspect Robert Card have received more than 530 tips from the public, Maine’s public safety commissioner said Friday. But the “armed and dangerous” suspect accused of killing 18 people Wednesday remains at large, and crews are scrambling to find him by land, sea and air.

While the manhunt intensifies, communities engulfed with grief are now riddled with anxiety. Two days after a gunman shot up a bowling alley and a bar, ravaging the tranquil city of Lewiston, residents across a 700-square-mile area were urged to keep sheltering in place Friday as authorities raced to find the suspect.

A CNN team saw officers surrounding a greenhouse late Friday morning at Springworks Farm in Lisbon, which is less than a mile from a boat launch where Card’s vehicle was found. By around noon, officers had cleared the scene.

Divers will be searching the water near the boat launch, Public Safety Commissioner Michael Sauschuck said Friday. “We will be putting divers in the water along the Androscoggin River,” he said.

Air assets will also be deployed to help the divers look for evidence, the commissioner said.

Despite a concentration of resources in the river area near the town of Lisbon, Card’s escape path remains unclear. “I’m not saying we know the suspect is in the water,” Sauschuck said.

While dive teams scour the river, investigators are expected to return to Card’s home on Friday – hours after law enforcement officers surrounded the home Thursday night and ordered any occupants to come out. It’s not clear whether anyone was inside.

Card, a longtime Army reservist and skilled marksman, should be considered armed and dangerous, authorities said. So for a second day, schools and businesses are shut down as hundreds of law enforcement officers swarm parts of southern Maine in pursuit of Card.

Investigators have recovered a cell phone that belonged to Card, a law enforcement official said Friday. That adds to the challenges for investigators, who routinely track cell phones to find suspects. It’s not clear whether Card is carrying another phone.

Investigators have also found a note left by the suspect, though it doesn’t reveal a motive, the law enforcement official said.

While the motive for the massacre remains uncertain, a key theory has emerged in the investigation, law enforcement sources say.

Card recently broke up with a longtime girlfriend, and investigators are pursuing the theory that Card went to the bowling alley and the bar because they were places the couple used to frequent, law enforcement sources told CNN’s John Miller.

Investigators believe the ex-girlfriend had signed up to play in a tournament at the bar Wednesday night, the sources said. According to the Facebook page for Schemengees Bar and Grill, Wednesday is “Industry Night,” which draws employees from other bars and restaurants in the Lewiston area.

The massacre in Maine is the deadliest of at least 566 mass shootings in the US so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. With 18 victims killed, the mass shooting is also the deadliest since the Uvalde massacre in May 2022, when 21 people were gunned down at a Texas elementary school.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/27/us/maine-shootings-suspect-search-friday/index.html

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Call it whaterever you want. A machine that can kill dozens of people in few seconds should not be allowed.

- I think is unfair to remove their right of owning a gun, because another persons wrong doings. The vast marjority will never use said guns, to atttack someone, or to defend themselves or others.

 

[Claude]

- I think is unfair to remove their right of owning a gun, because another persons wrong doings. The vast marjority will never use said guns, to tttack someone, or to defend themselves or others.

So why do they need them?

If something is causing more harm than good then maybe reconsider?

 

[spamking]

Not an easy problem to solve. You have a country where a lot of people feel entitled to killing machines and are allowed to own them. I think banning rifles is not going to completely solve mass shootings, but I think it could at least reduce them in the long run. The more obstacles bad people have and the less aware they are that it's extremely easy to become a mass shooter, the less likely they are to move forward. Removing assault rifles from the menu of the crazed cannot be a step in the wrong direction.

Know what else would reduce them in the long run? Getting rid of gun free zones AND provide better security for locations with vulnerable people/visitors.

 

[Claude]

Getting rid of gun free zones.

How so?

provide better security for locations with vulnerable people/visitors.

You mean like a mall?

 

[Gutter Chris]

So why do they need them?

If something is causing more harm than good then maybe reconsider?

Well one I love to go shooting
2 it's my right
3 I've done nothing wrong
4 because I want to
5 it's an American tradition
A d 6 just in case

Fuckin guy was hearing voices and in the bin already ....why don't we start with laws and the due process to give them structure to be able to lock people up long term when they are obviously not in their right state of mind and 2 likely pose a threat?

Also not sure why it's always ban or no ban and no sort of compromise or actual effort to solve a problem. Trying to solve a complex issue with a simple yes or no seems absurd to me. There's a Lot we could do and could try that likely leaves people's rights in tact and makes getting a gun a bit tougher.



And a final thing. Majority of gun deaths and suicides are not done with any kind of rifle. So other than pissing a bunch of people off its not likely to really solve much.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

So why do they need them?

If something is causing more harm than good then maybe reconsider?

- Just a toy to take pictures while holding? Maybe they should only be allowed at a shooting range? Like here?

 

[spamking]

Vehicles are necessary for civilians, assault weapons aren't. Vehicles are used for transportation, weapons are used to kill.

Big difference.

Can you explain why it's bad logic?

Comments like this aren't helping. You're choosing to judge everyone who owns a firearm and deciding that we need to be punished due to the actions of some other person. What you're looking to do will only make others much more vulnerable. You don't have a clue what is necessary for some other person to own. You also seem clueless when it comes to rights vs privileges.

 

[spamking]

So why do they need them?

They're tools used to provide personal protection. They're tools used in sporting hobbies like hunting and shooting competitions. They're tools used to protect valuable assets.

If something is causing more harm than good then maybe reconsider?

With all of the privately owned firearms in the US if they were truly causing more harm than good you'd know it.

 

[spamking]

How so?

Are you serious?

You mean like a mall?

Most malls are designated as gun free zones . . . . so yes.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

- I think is unfair to remove their right of owning a gun, because another persons wrong doings. The vast marjority will never use said guns, to atttack someone, or to defend themselves or others.

I'd say it's more unfair to get killed by a nutjob that shouldn't of had that power to begin with.

 

[Claude]

Well one I love to go shooting
2 it's my right
3 I've done nothing wrong
4 because I want to
5 it's an American tradition
A d 6 just in case

I don't know about you, but if my hobby and traditions came along with the death of innocent people, maybe they're not worth it?

Fuckin guy was hearing voices and in the bin already ....why don't we start with laws and the due process to give them structure to be able to lock people up long term when they are obviously not in their right state of mind and 2 likely pose a threat?

Also not sure why it's always ban or no ban and no sort of compromise or actual effort to solve a problem. Trying to solve a complex issue with a simple yes or no seems absurd to me. There's a Lot we could do and could try that likely leaves people's rights in tact and makes getting a gun a bit tougher.

You can't lock someone who hasn't done anything wrong. You can't predict who will do something wrong. There's no reliable way to know who could become a murderer. It just does not exist.

And a final thing. Majority of gun deaths and suicides are not done with any kind of rifle. So other than pissing a bunch of people off its not likely to really solve much.

Those are different problems with different solutions.

Mass shootings and rifles go in hand.