Luke Rockhold: "UFC hype machine discredited Strikeforce"

Seriously.

Many of you commenting in this thread (and you know who you are) can STFU and GTFO because you are victims of exactly what Rockhold is talking about.

Many of you are incapable of forming your own opinions.
 
Hugh G Rection said:
Lol at some of the skewed thinking in this thread. Robbie Lawler and Werdum are 'Strikeforce' fighters?? They fought for Strikeforce, but that ain't where either of them made their name. And that's before we get to the fact that DC only has the belt because JJ is a moron.
Strikeforce had some quality fighters but people on here just love to play down the UFC and its fighters.
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I bet you used to call them ufc rejects, didn't ya?
 
I think most ppl knew Jacare and Rockhard were top 5, but Anderson was still untouchable at that point.
 
People were aware they had top contenders in Strikeforce but people on this forum are usually pretty revisionist about it.

Rockhold was fighting on Challanger shows before working for Zuffa and people on here act like he was this big deal there.
 
"I fought Jacare, Jacare was ranked No. 5 in the world, maybe even higher at the point I fought him," Rockhold said. "And instead of giving me the credit, because I was the kid from Strikeforce Challengers who people didn't believe in, this happened a lot, they took credit away from Jacare for who he was and what he's capable of, and bumped me to like No. 10 and put him outside to like No. 15. How does that levy out?"

This bit is the most telling because it's so true. This is what allows the UFC to get away with cutting top fighters who don't suit their promotional purposes.

Zuffa knows that if a UFC fighter gets cut and then goes on the another org there are two possible outcomes:

1. He goes on a good run, to which the response will be: "See? That org sucks. A UFC reject is running through the divisions."

2. He gest beat, to which the response will be: "See? He deserved to get cut. He can't even win in the bush leagues."

It's a win win for Zuffa... but it makes the MMA community look like a bunch of 'goofs.'

It's akin to baseball fans assuming any player that plays for the Yankees must be world class and any player who plays for the Tigers must be a scrub.
 
Best thing Rockhold has said in awhile, and it's 100% true.

Anyone here that's ever bought into the "UFC is the best" myth are a bunch of morons riding on Dana's little nut sack.
 
Rockhold's not gonna get a push from that very said hype machine if he keeps this up.

He is right though.
 
Lol what a dumbass theory. The "UFC hype machine" isn't even a real thing.
 
lorenzofertatta said:
Strikefarce, bushleague, UFC rejects etc..
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this.
I used to be so frustrated when I heard this crap.
I recall when Fedor Joined SF, people said he was running from Lesnar, Cain or Carwin
SF had a much better HW division, and was doing that tourney...

I couldn't understand how people was so short-sighted...but then again, there';s a good reason for the name "Zuffa-Zombie"....they don't think much. They believe in everything Dana says...:redface:
 
Shaddows said:
this.
I used to be so frustrated when I heard this crap.
I recall when Fedor Joined SF, people said he was running from Lesnar, Cain or Carwin
SF had a much better HW division, and was doing that tourney...
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They didn't have a better division when he signed if you look at in through 2009 glasses. They had Werdum who had just been KTFO by a noob (JDS), Arlovski who just lost to someone that wasn't ranked and Rogers who had never beat anyone in the top 50 outside of his KO of Andrei.

I am not sure what Luke is really saying, his best win before he worked for Zuffa was Paul Bradley. It wasn't like everyone knew he was one of the best middleweights ever then.
 
SF had the best HW div and solid fighters in all divs. Only Zuffa ass kissers deny it.

With that said, Luke is overreaching.

DC is a belt holder/alphabet champion, not the best out there. Why is it so hard for MMA people to understand this concept boxing fans know for ages?

And Luke got demolished by the first "UFC guy" he fought, so he had to get better before getting another chance. Not like he was thr best around when he was at SF, as he is suggesting.

I totally agree with him on the Honda and Lawler case, however.
 
tenniswhiz said:
It affects the hardcores, as well as the fighters.

Major media outlets might just throw a token champ from another promotion into the Top 10 rankings, even when that org is actually loaded with talent.
To make it to the Top 10, you gotta beat guys that are considered on the fringes of the Top 10, which can only happen in the UFC.

Hardcores often pretend they are doing some kind of scientific analysis of proof when they use "Top 10 wins" as a barometer for how well a fighter's career has gone. This is the most incredibly stupid way to analyze a great fighter's accomplishments, and it even fails to show what top competition was (and the defense of anything else being "revisionist history" is equally idiotic).
Because of the aforementioned situation, wins over guys like top fighters outside of the UFC (the outstanding group of SF fighters, the excellent WEC 155 fighters) meant less than beating a supposed Top 10 fighter in the UFC.
A win over guys like "Top 10" fighters like Evan Dunham, Dan Hardy, Patrick Cote (MW), or Brendan Schaub winds up supposedly being more significant than wins over the outstanding fighters in other organizations (that weren't Top 10, but proved that they were Top 10 all along later on).
"OMG, HE'S FIGHTING TOP COMPETITION", LOL.

Even WITHIN an organization, guys like Dan Hardy or Michael Bisping can get easier matchups and rise to ranking prominence while guys like Condit, Rory, etc, end up fighting each other and other super tough matchups outside the supposed Top 10.
Hell, look what Brock did to get a title shot. Now go look at what JDS did to earn a title shot. Brock was ranked higher than JDS when Brock had the belt, while JDS had some amazing wins on his resume.

The UFC LW division, before the WEC merger, and before the SF fighters came in, is the best example of rankings BS.
People found it laughable that the WEC 155'ers be compared to UFC Top 10 LW. Whoever was champ (Varner, then Benson) got the token #10 slot.
And it wasn't even just these orgs, there were several other outstanding LW fighters floating in other organizations.

I'm not trying to discredit BJ, GSP, or Anderson in any way, so don't make it about that.
This is about Luke's very legit point.
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Exactly.

What is failed to be thought about is all these fighters train with each other, betllator, WSOF, etc. within their teams/camps.

There is no reason an upcoming guy who's signed to Bellator, who's tearing it up and regularly smacking around (say) top 5 fighters (likely UFC fighters) in their gym/training/sparring couldn't be one of the very best on the planet... but will never get that recognition unless they are in the UFC and able to fight/beat those guys.

The framework of how the rankings are done will never let it happen. The only way for the rankings to be shaken up would be a guy like Aldo going to bellator (but somehow quitting the UFC, not losing) and eventually bringing some of their guys up the rankings by losing.

But even then, you got the situation where They'd probably just replace #1 with Connor and Aldo would drop down, and whoever beat Aldo would be #4 or #3 (like how it was when Fedor lost to Werdum and suddenly Brock and Carwin were #1 and #2)....
 
man, i dont get it. If i was rockhold id just post a dick pic for more notoriety and respect.
 
There are "UFC-only viewers", and there are "MMA fans".

Their opinions often are the exact opposite, from "which fighters are better" to "do women belongs in the UFC".
 
Miiiiiiighty said:
Yup all hardcore fans knew several of their weight class rivaled or even were better than UFC ones ( HW, MW.. )

Most of the SF top talent crossovers have been serious contenders or even champs..

(Lawler, DC..)
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MW? HW was the only SF div that was even or possibly above UFC, most considered them even.
 
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