Media LMAO @ how bad the HW division will look after Jon retires

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Nah. The HW division doesn't need Jon Jones. This is just pure cope by Jones fans. He's not that important at all.

Jon ducks Aspinall, gets stripped, Aspinall beats the Volkov/Gane winner and dominates heavyweight. Becomes the clear HW GOAT. The division is just fine.

I'm still convinced that if Blades didn't have horrendous fight IQ and remembered he was a wrestler and not a striker he would've beaten Tom.
I think Gane can beat Tom.
IDK. I look at Tom and I see Derrick Lewis 1.5. I don't see the hype.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I'm still convinced that if Blades didn't have horrendous fight IQ and remembered he was a wrestler and not a striker he would've beaten Tom.
I think Gane can beat Tom.
IDK. I look at Tom and I see Derrick Lewis 1.5. I don't see the hype.

I don't think Gane beats Aspinall. I think Aspinall will wrestle him like Jones did.

Blaydes I don't necessarily disagree with. I honestly thought Blaydes would end up taking over the HW division after Ngannou left.

 

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I don't think Gane beats Aspinall. I think Aspinall will wrestle him like Jones did.

Blaydes I don't necessarily disagree with. I honestly thought Blaydes would end up taking over the HW division after Ngannou left.

He's another won of these lifelong wrestlers that fell in love with their hands and forgot what brought them to the UFC.

 

[HHJ]

Are you a clown? Are you mentally deficient?

Sorry but any champion that keeps winning becomes a star. Unless someone comes to heavyweight that beats Aspinall, he (Aspinall) becomes a star on his own by simply not losing.

People have criticized Jones, GSP, and Anderson Silva for their "lack of competition", and yet all 3 are have been stars simply because they kept winning. If you're actually delusional and unintelligent enough to believe that Aspinall cannot become a star on his own if he breaks the HW title defense record, then I feel sorry for you.

That guy is only here to glaze Jones don't mind him.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Tom should already be the UFC HW champ. It only looks bad because Jones is ducking the True HW champ. And Holding his paper belt hostage.

 

[Alpha_T83]

That guy is only here to glaze Jones don't mind him.

Ya i'm a sucker for being baited into arguments. Not gonna lie.

 

[markg171]

Tom should already be the UFC HW champ. It only looks bad because Jones is ducking the True HW champ. And Holding his paper belt hostage.

Tom was coming off a loss to Blaydes when Jon won the title against Gane, someone higher ranked than Tom who he's also never beaten.

Hope this helps.

 

[HHJ]

Tom was coming off a loss to Blaydes when Jon won the title against Gane, someone higher ranked than Tom who he's also never beaten.

Hope this helps.

What would help is a third yellow

 

[JBJ was here]

I'm still convinced that if Blades didn't have horrendous fight IQ and remembered he was a wrestler and not a striker he would've beaten Tom.

Not sure about Tom, but if Blaydes didn't have the fight IQ of a sea cucumber he'd certainly have beaten Derrick Lewis.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Tom was coming off a loss to Blaydes when Jon won the title against Gane, someone higher ranked than Tom who he's also never beaten.

Hope this helps.

LOL at thinking Toms injury to Blaydes which he avenged, has anything to do with the fact he should be HW champ if Jones would just vacate the belt he doesnt want to defend to a REAL contender.

 

[JBJ was here]

LOL at thinking Toms injury to Blaydes which he avenged, has anything to do with the fact he should be HW champ if Jones would just vacate the belt he doesnt want to defend to a REAL contender.

You can safely assume that anyone saying Tom's loss to Blaydes means anything is acting in the capacity of a troll, not an MMA fan.

 

[rjmbrd]

Jones went life and death with Dom Reyes (7-4) and Thiago Santos (14-12) in back to back controversial decisions.

He took an extended break and a move up to heavyweight because things were going bad.

They dug up the bones of Stipe to give him a fight that wasn't dangerous. Aspinall would likely have run roughshod over Jon and this thread wouldn't exist.

So long as the pay is 12k show to get brain damage live on PPV, the UFC will have no depth in the upper weight divisions. Suitably young, suitably gifted athletes don't pick MMA as their first option. We get left overs.

 

[Mind Mine]

I guess you're a Jon Jones fan, but the UFC heavyweight division will be just fine after Jon Jones.

ANY fighter in ANY division that keeps winning will become a star. Period. The only possible exception to this rule is Demetrious Johnson, who was criminally underrated and criminally underappreciated by UFC fans.

But I guarantee you that Tom Aspinall would surpass Jon Jones if Jones retires/vacates the heavyweight belt tomorrow, and Aspinall keeps winning & defending. The only way the UFC heavyweight picture can be harmed is if DUCK Jones keeps holding the HW title and refusing to fight Aspinall.

If you Sir are suggesting that with the competition having a Frank that can stand Dana that having your top fighter be an Aspinall Jones beat up as a he walks into the sunset is a bright idea then welcome to sherdog. You will fit right in as many don’t think around these parts. They don’t think about things like the UFC would for the first time the HW division being second tier. We don’t think how that can push people to competing organizations around here. We don’t think about name value to casuals. We just look at the rankings and complain no matter how bad a fight can hurt the organization because us sherdoggas smart

 

[markg171]

LOL at thinking Toms injury to Blaydes which he avenged, has anything to do with the fact he should be HW champ if Jones would just vacate the belt he doesnt want to defend to a REAL contender.

You can safely assume that anyone saying Tom's loss to Blaydes means anything is acting in the capacity of a troll, not an MMA fan.

Tom was coming off a win over Tybura when Jon was up for his 1st title defence, which is another reason he hadn't gotten a title shot then.

Once again, hope this helps.

 

[markg171]

Jones went life and death with Dom Reyes (7-4) and Thiago Santos (14-12) in back to back controversial decisions.

Tom by contrast was losing fights in the British regional circuit back then.

He took an extended break and a move up to heavyweight because things were going bad.

You mean like Tom did after losing fights in the British regional circuit?

Or do you mean when Tom turned down a UFC contract because he wasn't ready for it?

They dug up the bones of Stipe to give him a fight that wasn't dangerous. Aspinall would likely have run roughshod over Jon and this thread wouldn't exist.

So long as the pay is 12k show to get brain damage live on PPV, the UFC will have no depth in the upper weight divisions. Suitably young, suitably gifted athletes don't pick MMA as their first option. We get left overs.

Make up your mind.

Either Tom is some amazing HW talent or HWs like him don't go to the UFC.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Tom was coming off a win over Tybura when Jon was up for his 1st title defence, which is another reason he hadn't gotten a title shot then.

Once again, hope this helps.

Yes, it helps realize you are either a delusional Jones fangirl, or a troll.

 

[Gamer007]

Jones isn't even the biggest star in UFC history. Not even close. GSP and Anderson Silva were bigger stars. Jones has never sold 1 million+ PPVs.

GSP, Anderson Silva, McGregor, Khabib are all bigger stars than Jones ever was.

I promsie you that if Jones retired right now, and Aspinall defended the HW title 10+ times that he would be a bigger star than Jones ever was. Easily. He might not even need that many defenses. Tom Aspinall is in a position to dictate his own legacy. He doesn't need Jon Jones.

Again, Jon Jones needs to defeat Aspinall to secure his own legacy as the GOAT. Otherwise he might just be remembered as the guy that ducked the true GOAT. If you can't see this, then you're nothing but an idiotic blind Jones nuthugger.

So what if Jon fights and embarrasses Tom, exposes his defense grappling and overzealous attacks? If Tom ends up losing afterward, does he then become a bum too? Will the fans start making excuses talking about "Tom didn't want to be there", "Tom didn't show up to fight", etc.


Will the fans discount his win like the Gane one? Will it all be for nothing? What does Jon stand to gain? An imaginary world where Aspinall becomes the GOAT HW after losing to Jon? For all we know Gane is better than Tom and would beat him, better strikes, better cardio, more experience, etc.

Jon doesn't need to defeat Aspinall to secure his own legacy, that is ridiculous. He is a far superior fighter to Aspinall, and the only interesting aspect of the fight is if a man who's 25-30lb bigger and several years younger can best him with a power punch or just overpower him due to size.


Tom NEEDS JON JONES, because he can't make anything close to a GOAT HW case with this division. We already saw prime Aspinall fight 42-year-old Arlovski, that fight showed me everything I needed to see lol. There's no real money for Aspinall in this division, no real names, and aside from a Jones or Poatan fight no path to real stardom.

 

[Lycandroid]

It will barely have an effect, he has had TWO FIGHTS at HW

 

[CieloLuce]

I mean, if you take JJ HW nuts outta your mouth you could see with clarity that it doesn't matter if he stays or not.

Aspinall doesn't have anyone serious to fight and it practically turning into DJ flyweight era.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Hasn't improved much. TDD and off his back still trash he just hasn't been tested there since Tai, an obese Romanov, Rozenstruik, Pav don't grapple and how he has another non grappler in Gane. He edged Tybura 29-28. Tom eradicated him.

Prime Kongo still gets him down and beats him up from top.

Nah, if you watch the Blaydes fight his get ups have definitely improved.