Media LMAO @ how bad the HW division will look after Jon retires

[Dbreiden83080]

If Tom Aspinall defended the HW title 10x he would still have a third less title wins than Jon already does.

Like I said. Y'all are beclowinning yourselves with these delusional takes in your hatred of Jones.

It’s funny to read all of them Talk about how Jones would get so easily knocked out by Tom. He’s never been knocked out by anybody. It’s never been close. He has a legendary iron jaw. It’s really funny.

 

[markg171]

Tell me you're an uncultured swine without telling me you're an uncultured swine.

The UFC heavyweight title defense record is 3. There's a reason it's only 3 and it's not because the UFC hasn't had great and talented heavyweights. It's because anything can happen at heavyweight, and all it takes is 1 lucky punch to get knocked out. It is much harder to get 10x defenses at heavyweight than at light heavyweight.

Seriously, you're an embarrassment. Just stop digging the hole you're in.

As opposed to the LHW title defence record which is... uh 5 if you don't count Jones himself blowing past that.

And Tito wouldn't gotten to 5 either without defending against complete cans.

Please continue to make a fool of yourself.

 

[Alpha_T83]

As opposed to the LHW title defence record which is... uh 5 if you don't count Jones himself blowing past that.

And Tito wouldn't gotten to 5 either without defending against complete cans.

Please continue to make a fool of yourself.

What kind of crack are you smoking? Are you brain damaged?

Jon Jones has 8 consecutive title defenses at 205 pounds, and 11 overall title defenses.

Please, continue to make an absolute fool of yourself you illiterate swine.

 

[2009lurker]

Wouldn’t be mad if he just relinquished the belt and went for money fights. Just don’t hold up the division. It’s bad enough as is.

 

[markg171]

It’s funny to read all of them Talk about how Jones would get so easily knocked out by Tom. He’s never been knocked out by anybody. It’s never been close. He has a legendary iron jaw. It’s really funny.

Not a single one of the sudden Tom dickriders have ever articulated HOW Tom actually beats Jones in their minds. He just somehow KOs a man who's never been KO'd, subs a guy who's never been subbed, or decisions a guy who's never lost a decision.

Like I get Tom looks good these days, Jon is older compared to his prime, and anything can happen, but it sure as fuck seems like they're all just hoping for a Hail Mary by those three factors and not because Tom actually is better than Jon at anything.

Like at least the other GOATs lost because they actually ran into an opponent that was known to have competing/better skills to them ahead of time. Werdum was the better BJJ guy, Conor the better boxer, Cejudo the better wrestler, Weidman the better grappler, etc. Tom uh... does what better than Jon? He's not the better kickboxer and he's not the better grappler. He's younger and hits harder and people are hoping Jon's past it enough to matter.

Which uh cool for Tom getting lucky enough to tag team Jones with Father Time I guess.

 

[markg171]

What kind of crack are you smoking? Are you brain damaged?

Jon Jones has 8 consecutive title defenses at 205 pounds, and 11 overall title defenses.

Please, continue to make an absolute fool of yourself you illiterate swine.

I mean if you really want to be pedantic about Jon being technically a 4x LHW champion while never having lost during all those back to back title fights okay dude.

That really helps proving your point that it's super easy to continue winning LHW title fights as opposed to HW title fights because... Jon was the one to do it.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I mean if you really want to be pedantic about Jon being technically a 4x LHW champion while never having lost during all those back to back title fights okay dude.

That really helps proving your point that it's super easy to continue winning LHW title fights as opposed to HW title fights because... Jon was the one to do it.

My point is that it's much easier to rack up title defenses at 205 pounds than heavyweight. And I'm not wrong.

 

[markg171]

My point is that it's much easier to rack up title defenses at 205 pounds than heavyweight. And I'm not wrong.

After Jones the next highest title defences at LHW are Tito at 5:

1. Kondo
2. Tanner
3. Sinosic
4. Matyushenko
5. K. Shamrock

or Chuck at 4:

1. Horn
2. Couture (Good)
3. Sobral
4. Tito (Good)

It took cans to even get LHW higher than HW.

Pereira recently tied the next highest at 3. It hadn't been 3 since Jones himself in his 2nd reign that ended 4 years before, or DC way back in 2018. Where DC shouldn't have even gotten there either.

It's a complete myth that defending at LHW is easier than HW.

 

[Alpha_T83]

After Jones the next highest title defences at LHW are Tito at 5:

1. Kondo
2. Tanner
3. Sinosic
4. Matyushenko
5. K. Shamrock

or Chuck at 4:

1. Horn
2. Couture (Good)
3. Sobral
4. Tito (Good)

It took cans to even get LHW higher than HW.

Pereira recently tied the next highest at 3. It hadn't been 3 since Jones himself in his 2nd reign that ended 4 years before, or DC way back in 2018. Where DC shouldn't have even gotten there either.

It's a complete myth that defending at LHW is easier than HW.

It's not a complete myth. Not even close.

1) It was harder to string together wins in the early 2000 era because fighters fought 3-4 times a year. They fought injured. They weren't pussies, but they paid the price for it with more losses.

2) Jon Jones dominated the LHW division after 2011, making it difficult for another fighter to break that record. DC could have easily broken the 5 title defense record at LHW if it wasn't for Jon Jones. DC couldn't do that at heavyweight.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I guess you're a Jon Jones fan, but the UFC heavyweight division will be just fine after Jon Jones.

ANY fighter in ANY division that keeps winning will become a star. Period. The only possible exception to this rule is Demetrious Johnson, who was criminally underrated and criminally underappreciated by UFC fans.

But I guarantee you that Tom Aspinall would surpass Jon Jones if Jones retires/vacates the heavyweight belt tomorrow, and Aspinall keeps winning & defending. The only way the UFC heavyweight picture can be harmed is if DUCK Jones keeps holding the HW title and refusing to fight Aspinall.

Aspinall can never surpass Jones.
He's already lost 3x, he's NOT going to be the youngest champ, he's NOT going to have the most title defenses, he's NOT gonna do anything that Jon Jones has already done.

Simply put, Aspinall = ordinary, to above-average fighter

Jones = once-in-a-lifetime fighter

 

[Alpha_T83]

Aspinall can never surpass Jones. He's already lost 3x, he's not going to be the youngest chap, he's not going to have the most title defenses, he's not gonna do anything that Jon Jones is already done.

Aspinall = ordinary, to above-average fighter

Jones = once-in-a-lifetime fighter

LOL. Delusional.

Anderson Silva lost multiple times before he became the middleweight GOAT. That's a meaningless factor quoted by small-brained morons.

Tom Aspinall can break the HW title defense record if he keeps winning, and retire the HW GOAT. His destiny is in his hands. Whereas Jon Jones will, again, be at the mercy of Aspinall's legacy if he ducks him.

 

[RedDevilFan]

I'll stop quoting you here because again, your logic is simply missing.

By your own admission, Jones could retire and Gane could defeat Volkov @ UFC 310, and Aspinall could defeat Gane for the undisputed title after Jon Jones vacates. Aspinall would then be in the exact same position as Jon Jones, beating an "elite" heavyweight in Gane and defining his own legacy.

Yet I"m sure you'd try to play down Aspinall beating Gane based on some arbitrary cope. Aspinall doesn't need Jon Jones to forge his own legacy. If he breaks the heavyweight title defense record and Jon Jones ducks him, Aspinall will go down as the UFC HW GOAT, not Jon Jones.

Jon Jones NEEDS to beat Aspinall to secure his HW legacy, not the other way around.

Jones is not the HW GOAT, he is LHW GOAT, and considerd the all time GOAT. Mind you that all of this fighter GOAT and greatness talk is subjective. I agree that Aspinall can surpass jones as HW champion, as jones has one title defense and not much more than that. I do not see him surpasing GSP, Jones, Silva, DJ and so on as reigning divisional champions as his division lacks divisional elites.

Jones has no legacy at HW, he is just there to pick up a check and cash out. His legacy is behind him at LHW and so is his prime. If Aspinall can beat Gane, and defend his title more than three times, I would give him his due. Yes, Aspinall does not need jones to forge his legacy at HW but it would help as his division lacks legit elites.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

It will be fine there always new blood coming in. It's a cycle of the athletic life. There's always going to be new, fascinating, dangerous fighters out there.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Jones is not the HW GOAT, he is LHW GOAT, and considerd the all time GOAT. Mind you that all of this fighter GOAT and greatness talk is subjective. I agree that Aspinall can surpass jones as HW champion, as jones has one title defense and not much more than that. I do not see him surpasing GSP, Jones, Silva, DJ and so on as reigning divisional champions as the his division lacks divisional elites.

Jones has no legacy at HW, he is just there to pick up a check and cash out. His legacy is behind him at LHW and so is his prime. If Aspinall can beat Gane, and defend his title more than three times, I would give him his due. Yes, Aspinall does not need jones to forge his legacy at HW but it would help as his division lacks legit elites, legacy and prestige in its fighters. .

Assuming you ignore PED violations, then yes Jon Jones is the UFC 205 pound GOAT. But the argument being put forth by a lot of Jon Jones fans is that Jones can retire & remain the overall UFC GOAT right now.

I'm just arguing that Tom Aspinall is in a position to surpass Jon Jones as the HW GOAT, and that Jon's legacy will be (maybe) the UFC 205 pound GOAT, but ultimately the guy that ducked Aspinall at heavyweight.

 

[JBJ was here]

It's not a complete myth. Not even close.

1) It was harder to string together wins in the early 2000 era because fighters fought 3-4 times a year. They fought injured. They weren't pussies, but they paid the price for it with more losses.

They regularly fought 3-4 or more times a year because they juiced to the gills, improving injury recovery considerably.

 

[Alpha_T83]

They regularly fought 3-4 or more times a year because they juiced to the gills, improving injury recovery considerably.

Maybe. I won't necessarily argue that point. But still, it was more difficult back then to remain undefeated.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Probably worst UFC HW division since the mid 2000s when UFC was B league to PRIDE. They had nursing home Stipe still ranked before retirement to make it appear better than it was.

Volkov top 3 really says it all. He was 5-3 in Bellator, got rekt in 2 mins by Minakov who probably best Russian HW post Fedor and got worked by Tony Johnson and 30-26d by Cheick Kongo LOL. Prime Kongo was better than Volkov yet Volkov is a top 3 HW in this era. YIKES. Bottom half of that top 15 is just some sad depressing shit. Low level one dimensional fighters. They wouldn't even be top 50 in a good weight class.

Terrible. The division is terrible currently and has Jon Jones as champ.
Once Jon leaves it will drop pass terrible to fucking atrocious.

Jeez. A lot of these guys wouldn't have been able to get a roster spot in the UFC in 2011 but now make up the top 10. God damn. Idk who or what to blame for the current states of the HW and LHW divisions in the UFC. They are dumpster fires.

Rozenstruik is literally 9-5 over his UFC career and I would've thought it was closer to 5-9. And I like him personally. I would've thought he got a pink slip a while ago.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

They regularly fought 3-4 or more times a year because they juiced to the gills, improving injury recovery considerably.

Specific opponent camps killed everything.
Guys would fight 3 times a night or at least 1 every 2 months. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry are still juiced to the gills but need 5 months to train for a specific opponent.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Terrible. The division is terrible currently and has Jon Jones as champ.
Once Jon leaves it will drop pass terrible to fucking atrocious.

Jeez. A lot of these guys wouldn't have been able to get a roster spot in the UFC in 2011 but now make up the top 10. God damn. Idk who or what to blame for the current states of the HW and LHW divisions in the UFC. They are dumpster fires.

Nah. The HW division doesn't need Jon Jones. This is just pure cope by Jones fans. He's not that important at all.

Jon ducks Aspinall, gets stripped, Aspinall beats the Volkov/Gane winner and dominates heavyweight. Becomes the clear HW GOAT. The division is just fine.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Looks like shit with Bones in it still
Dude never fights and his best days are behind him