"Living Wage" fee on receipts?

[Siver!]

How can a tip produce a "living wage"?

Doesn't it kinda sorta depend how many sales are made?

18 % of nothing is... nothing.

I'd say it was the responsibility of the restaurant owners to make sure the HOURLY wage is an honest living wage, and yes, it should be included in the menu price.

Tips on top of that should be for bangin' service.

 

[Cid]

You've been here since 2003 so you've read at least 500 tipping threads, figure it out.

I've been trying for 22 years!

Beginning to think it's you guys and not me.


Actually I think dining out is just cheap here. You've probably never noticed but it's always Australians that struggle in these threads. Have a specialty burger joint within walking distance and a quick run on the math the most expensive burger is cheaper than the one on the tab.

I still remember the outrage over the price of a margarita pizza on a thread from a decade ago.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I've been trying for 22 years!

Beginning to think it's you guys and not me.


Actually I think dining out is just cheap here. You've probably never noticed but it's always Australians that struggle in these threads. Have a specialty burger joint within walking distance and a quick run on the math the most expensive burger is cheaper than the one on the tab.

I still remember the outrage over the price of a margarita pizza on a thread from a decade ago.

yeah but your dollars aren't real.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I've seen... If paying with cash , pay with the exact amount... we don't give back change.

i saw this during the change shortage from covid but never since.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

You guys startinv to see these bullshits in your receipts?

Mandatory 18% tip.

Not against it at all. $6 across 4 items. Just add $1.50 to each of your items.

I always tip 20% or more, so this actually SAVES me money as I don't have to tip any more as the 18% tip is mandatory now.

What this does now is it punishes the freeloaders who refuse to tip and spreads the load evenly.

An 18% tip on every order actually does probably mean these servers are now making a good wage as the only thing standing in the way of that before was the trash bag people who would come in and not tip.

Higher quality people will start being servers as it's now a decent wage. So this will lead to better service.

Possible bonus? Trash people will stay home now that they can't get away with not tipping, so less trash people in restaurants.

The big problem is the owner and manager probably skim that shit, so the staff probably don't get all of it.

 

[Cid]

yeah but your dollars aren't real.

That's cool. I'm only paid to convince you my country is real.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Do you have to tip on top of that amount my freedom loving American friends?

Of course not. This replaces the tip.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Why you guys still do it then?

Because we're not trash.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

You think the staff did this?

This is a line item for private businesses to subsidize the wages of the labor they need

No.

but if thats your position then increase the product price and pay accordingly (whatever accordingly is to dreg level work force)

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Wrong, it's capitalist bullshit.

It doesn't go into a bonus pool like tips that are paid on top of hourly wages, it's an 18% service charge that goes to the owner, then the owners says it's going to the payroll account.

It does not claim the staff is making above minimum wage.

You're just getting taxed by the owner to support the business.

It's like raising prices by 18% but putting lipstick on the pig.

You just ask the server. And if they tell you that's what it is, you don't eat there any more.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

How can a tip produce a "living wage"?

Doesn't it kinda sorta depend how many sales are made?

18 % of nothing is... nothing.

I'd say it was the responsibility of the restaurant owners to make sure the HOURLY wage is an honest living wage, and yes, it should be included in the menu price.

Tips on top of that should be for bangin' service.

As someone who has worked for tips before, I'll take an 18% mandatory tip over a 'living wage' any day of the week. I hustled my ass off. 18% tips on every table would have had me making like $100k/year.

I had $100 orders tip out $2 before. Even when given exemplary service.

I can tell just looking at someone if they're a tipper or not. Non tippers have easily observable physical traits:
Fat
Unbrushed teeth
Uncombed hair
Dirty clothes
Pajamas in public
Smokers
Filthy car

And then obvious markers we all know about but aren't allowed to say.

I also did deliveries so I also knew how to recognize a non tipper household:

Unmowed lawn
Car on blocks
Car without license plate
Chain outside for dog
Can of cigarette butts on porch stuffed to the brim

Once I had been doing it a while, I literally never got stiffed for a tip and was surprised afterwards. I always knew what was coming.

I literally never had a normal looking person with personal hygiene who took care of the house not tip me.

I gave great service to every customer because that was the job and that made me more money. Simple as that.

 

[Siver!]

As someone who has worked for tips before, I'll take an 18% mandatory tip over a living wage any day of the week. I hustled my ass off. 18% tips on every table would have had me making like $100k/year

Actually I do kinda get it.

It just says so much about the make up of society that the idea of paying someone an extra $6 for serving a couple of burgers and fries on top of their wages is so unacceptable they have to frame it on the receipt as a charge to the customer.



Just call it commission and tell the customer what they're actually paying from the get-go, no?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Actually I do kinda get it.

It just says so much about the make up of society that the idea of paying someone an extra $6 for serving a couple of burgers and fries on top of their wages is so unacceptable they have to frame it on the receipt as a charge to the customer.



Just call it commission and tell the customer what they're actually paying from the get-go, no?

The vast majority of people tip. I'd have to guess this restaurant is in a trash part of town and a lot of trash bag people eat there

 

[Natural Order]

so an 18% tip? oh the humanity.

Except that they could simply incorporate that into the price of the items and not virtue signal like gy cans about it.

 

[Natural Order]

As someone who has worked for tips before, I'll take an 18% mandatory tip over a 'living wage' any day of the week. I hustled my ass off. 18% tips on every table would have had me making like $100k/year.

I had $100 orders tip out $2 before. Even when given exemplary service.

I can tell just looking at someone if they're a tipper or not. Non tippers have easily observable physical traits:
Fat
Unbrushed teeth
Uncombed hair
Dirty clothes
Pajamas in public
Smokers
Filthy car

And then obvious markers we all know about but aren't allowed to say.

I also did deliveries so I also knew how to recognize a non tipper household:

Unmowed lawn
Car on blocks
Car without license plate
Chain outside for dog
Can of cigarette butts on porch stuffed to the brim

Once I had been doing it a while, I literally never got stiffed for a tip and was surprised afterwards. I always knew what was coming.

I literally never had a normal looking person with personal hygiene who took care of the house not tip me.

I gave great service to every customer because that was the job and that made me more money. Simple as that.

LOL, hygiene is definitely tied into potentiality for tipping.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Except that they could simply incorporate that into the price of the items and not virtue signal like gy cans about it.

Depends on the structure. If that 18% goes straight to the server as it should, she's making good money now

If as someone said above this disappears into some kind of pyramid scheme, I just wouldn't eat there any more.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

LOL, hygiene is definitely tied into potentiality for tipping.

100%.

Gross people who don't respect themselves enough to brush their teeth don't respect themselves enough to comport themselves at a restaurant with class and dignity.

We all know you tip in a sit down restaurant. We all know you tip the delivery guy. This isn't some nebulous thing that only some people do. Everyone does it. Everyone knows it's expected.

If they don't do it, it's because they're trash.

 

[Contempt]

30% is soso... Oh you can go and eat a giant bag of dicks.

Custom 0% and never return to business.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Except that they could simply incorporate that into the price of the items and not virtue signal like gy cans about it.

well incorporating it into the price of the item would definitely be the better option as it doesn't disincentivize tipping. but at least they're telling you the truth about what it's for. the modern business model of restaurants is so inflated and broken.

 

[Stoic1]

Another thing I assume should be illegal. I went to a diner recently and they had a note on their counter stating that they charge 8% more if you don't use cash because they need to pay for their debit/cc reading service.

Since when did restaurants start charging each customer for their bills on top of their food/service.

Now identify businesses that are CARD ONLY and add a 3% service charge for using the card.

That shit is criminal.