Economy Trump to impose $100,000 fee per year for H-1B visas, in blow to tech

I don't want to create a new thread just want to leave this here Brian Kemp 2018 Governors race ad about his gun and rounding up illegals, is now being used in ads by Koreans in Korea why Hyundai needs to stop doing business in the US. Right wing media claiming that Hyundai is willing to work within the Administration and build more factories in the US. Apparently in Korea the Korean people want to go after Hyundai to stop doing business in the US.


 
I don't want to create a new thread just want to leave this here Brian Kemp 2018 Governors race ad about his gun and rounding up illegals, is now being used in ads by Koreans in Korea why Hyundai needs to stop doing business in the US. Right wing media claiming that Hyundai is willing to work within the Administration and build more factories in the US. Apparently in Korea the Korean people want to go after Hyundai to stop doing business in the US.




This is all clickbait BS. Hyundai is still building the plant on Georgia and is fact expanding. They're spending an additional 2.7 billion.

 
I don't know if this is universal. I do a lot of business with those places and where I live it's all ghetto black people. Was a lot of fun dealing with the fact that one of them stole an order from a dude who's there cuz of a stroke and he called crying like a child about how he didn't get his order on Saturday. I'm still pissed off about it. Not the food or the cost or the time but that someone would do that to a person in their care in that state. Places are hell on earth and I hope I die before someone puts me in one.

But I digress. Not an immigrant in sight
My mom was a CNA for 20+ years. she worked around a lot of immigrants, but this was in California and then in Washington. Two places with a high immigrant population even decades ago. As the other poster said though that's not a high skilled or high paying job., It's about one tier above minimum wage. There are a lot of immigrants in it because you don't need any kind of degree (just a short training course) and the pay and benefits aren't great.
 
My mom was a CNA for 20+ years. she worked around a lot of immigrants, but this was in California and then in Washington. Two places with a high immigrant population even decades ago. As the other poster said though that's not a high skilled or high paying job., It's about one tier above minimum wage. There are a lot of immigrants in it because you don't need any kind of degree (just a short training course) and the pay and benefits aren't great.

I don't disagree with what him or you are saying just that I think it depends on the region how dependent that job is on immigrants and that I didn't think it was a universal rule.

From my perspective a ton of unskilled immigrant labor is bad for unskilled Americans. It drives the wage down on a job that they could do besides McDonald's. I'm aware the counter is businesses keeping costs down is good for the consumer. That doesn't look like it's the case to me however. What it looks like to me is whoever owns or runs said thing doesn't pass that savings on they just pocket the difference so they can continue the scheme of permanent growth.
 
I don't disagree with what him or you are saying just that I think it depends on the region how dependent that job is on immigrants and that I didn't think it was a universal rule.

From my perspective a ton of unskilled immigrant labor is bad for unskilled Americans. It drives the wage down on a job that they could do besides McDonald's. I'm aware the counter is businesses keeping costs down is good for the consumer. That doesn't look like it's the case to me however. What it looks like to me is whoever owns or runs said thing doesn't pass that savings on they just pocket the difference so they can continue the scheme of permanent growth.
It's not, like you said it's just low paying low hanging fruit. So in high immigrant areas a lot of them will be immigrants because there's no barrier to entry. And I agree. I absolutely hate this argument of "who's gonna do these shit jobs for $5 an hour if we don't import people used to a lower quality of life to do it"

No, fucking stop it. That's just enabling corporations to continue paying people below the market rate. That's why so many people are against mass immigration. It drives down wages and benefits in addition to destabilizing the area. Just look at what the fuck's happened to Europe in less than 20 years. It's crazy. Yet if you are at all resistant to immigration people act like it must be because you're a racist or against individuals having opportunity.
 
Yea BS. The H-1B visa is for positions requiring a bachelor's degree or equivalent as the minimum for entry and the vast majority go to tech positions.

Those kind of caregiver jobs is typically filled by immigrants and if need be, EB-3 visas.

CNAs and most frontline caregivers aren’t eligible for H-1Bs. Those visas are for specialty occupations requiring a bachelor’s degree. For caregiver roles they use green card sponsorships like EB-3 or H2-B temporary visas.

The real issues impacting ass-wiping are low pay, high burnout, and turnover in the caregiving industry. It's a separate issue entirely.

H-1b visas were about 74% STEM in 2024, with most of those being tech jobs.

To your point though, it could hurt smaller hospitals who need good physicians.

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Fair enough. My mistake.
 
My mom was a CNA for 20+ years. she worked around a lot of immigrants, but this was in California and then in Washington. Two places with a high immigrant population even decades ago. As the other poster said though that's not a high skilled or high paying job., It's about one tier above minimum wage. There are a lot of immigrants in it because you don't need any kind of degree (just a short training course) and the pay and benefits aren't great.
In 1950 ies U.S was leading phones exporter in this world.

Today they are mainly social media content customers.
Might even bite posters for bad English despite can't have elementary school level English skills .... because Barnard wasn't anglo saxonian his first and 2 nd given names doesn't translate as proper English for plebs.... definitely.
Therefore Chirstiaan Neethling Barnard.
 
I then asked you so there isn't any problems for US citizens in regards to them being pushed aside for cheaper foreign labour and now you give me this shitty reply.

I'm really doing my best to understand your position. It sounds like you believe everything was fine for everyone, or at least good enough before?

Its hard to understand basic economics i know, ergo why the world is so fucked up because morons will believe stupid ass solutions that don't work.

People assume that jobs are a fixed position and that companies in the case of labor shortage have infinite margin values to shed money to hire personnel, you can see a lot of these opinions here.

"if the person is worth it they can pay the fee"

So if the person is unworthy what happens? "hire American" and what if Americans don't want to work these jobs at given payment level "they can pay more then" but what happens if the position itself doesn't generates the margin values to pay more? Simply, the position either gets outsourced abroad or is eliminated.

Labor is just another commodity in the end, this reminds me of Trump tariffs on steel and aluminium, they just fucked up American jobs because a lot of American industries have to pay for overpriced aluminium and steel, while those that produce abroad don't.

TLDR version

labor doesn't exists in a vacuum, if you rise one price via artificial shortage someone has to pay the difference.
 
They were already doing that.

H1-B's are supposed to be for really skilled labor we can't get in the States. Not low to medium skill that could be offshored.

In some industries and instances, I'm sure it's used for that purpose. However, I work for a company that abuses them and uses lower-wage H1B people to displace American workers. It's rampant in tech, especially the managed services companies (Tata, Accenture, Cognizant, Infosys, etc.) Most of the H1-B folks in those roles are just managing offshore developers.
 
In some industries and instances, I'm sure it's used for that purpose. However, I work for a company that abuses them and uses lower-wage H1B people to displace American workers. It's rampant in tech, especially the managed services companies (Tata, Accenture, Cognizant, Infosys, etc.) Most of the H1-B folks in those roles are just managing offshore developers.
There are xx others too and they does have damn a lot of offices and companies worldwide. ..ofc if lesser expensive developers etc etc..
Ukr and Belarus too does have such stuff...from epam til others btw...

Ofc since 2022 th lesser offices ..for a reason.
 
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It is funny how ppl are worried about some H1B guys. While outsourcing and outstaffing takes xx more jobs....also ofc companies does have branches and partners etc in other countries ...A lot.

They normally might " take jobs " without traveling to U.S and they doesn't needs any visas etc.
 
BTW India isn't cheapest, there are Nigeria and Bangladesh, Indonesia too soon will be actual....
 

H-1B visa war will accelerate AI jobs reckoning​

By Una Galani and Shritama Bose

HONG KONG/MUMBAI, Sept 22 (Reuters Breakingviews) - What helps make some American companies exceptional is that they're able to hire the best talent in the world. Donald Trump's decision to slap a $100,000 fee on new applications for H-1B visas - used to bring highly skilled and talented workers into the country to work for Amazon.com (AMZN.O), opens new tab, Microsoft (MSFT.O), opens new tab, Meta Platforms (META.O), opens new tab, Apple (AAPL.O), opens new tab and others - poses a risk to that equation. But the U.S. president has allowed himself enough loopholes to avoid such an adverse outcome.

The war on H-1B visas opens a new front in Washington's anti-immigration push, but it is not a jolt from the blue. For years, Indian IT outsourcing companies operating in the U.S. have in particular come under fire for using the visas to hire lower-paid foreign technology engineers instead of hiring Americans. That has started to change, though. Tata Consultancy Services (TCS.NS), opens new tab, the second-largest user of the program this year, has 5,505 employees on the visas, half its 2021 peak. Yet while Indian nationals hold 71% of H-1Bs, U.S. companies dominate the top 10 sponsors.

The short-term financial impact will be limited, especially after the White House hastily clarified over the weekend that the fee only applies to new applications, not existing visas. Even if it were retroactive, the upfront cost for JPMorgan (JPM.N), opens new tab, for example, would be equivalent to 0.4% of its full-year profit. Spread the cost over three to five years of an employee's term, and the $100,000 fee is a tolerable cost for hiring the best and brightest. For TCS, it would be up to 10%.

In practice, companies are likely to respond to Trump's order in two main ways. First, they will double down on offshoring work, where possible. Absent any move by Washington to tax outsourcing payments, India, the Philippines and Mexico could be top potential beneficiaries. Though companies need a minimum mass of talent in close proximity to their projects to execute them smoothly, there was a massive trend toward offshoring during the COVID-19 pandemic which busted myths about where people need to be to perform certain tasks.

Second, companies will aggressively pull forward their adoption of artificial intelligence to optimise their workforce requirements. If a company was using 10 people with H-1B visas on a project, they might hire five and use the latest innovations in AI to see if they can make up for the lack of availability of talent. That would be the opposite outcome to Washington's intention to prod employers to hire American science, technology, engineering and mathematics graduates to tackle domestic unemployment among this cohort.

Trump has taken different sides on H-1B visas over the years, siding at times with his tech advisers or with his Make American Great Again political champions. His own uncertainty may explain why the president's order contains plenty of loopholes. He has allowed the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to grant fee exemptions if it is in the national interest, and the restrictions only apply for 12 months, unless the programme is extended.

But the overarching threat remains. America has always relied on a mixture of local and overseas talent and will pay a heavy price if the anti-immigration push becomes permanent.

https://www.reuters.com/commentary/...will-accelerate-ai-jobs-reckoning-2025-09-22/
 
That’s a shame if true because tech companies really do need to be reigned in
It takes a long time for people to get trained up and familiar with all the domain specific knowledge of a system. Yanking thousands of employees at the drop of a hat would be too disruptive for the companies. Also its a dick move for the people who would lose their jobs.

I think this is good step in the right direction. The year is almost up so it should go into effect soon.
 
Truth is, with AI advancements, low and mid-level tech workers are going to become obsolete within the next 5 years. What once was a valuable skill won't be.
 
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